[BALANCE] Couch Lance

[Nightingale]

I would love this... I have a 12 strength 30 agility Great lancer build, - 4 ps, 10 riding, +3 Courser with light armor.  I am that crazy person that gets on NA at times, you know that Great lancer that no one told pikes were a bad thing for ponies

In all seriousness though, 100% agreed, Heavy lance, Light lance and Normal Lance should receive a slight damage buff though, take away their ability to couch you need to add something to balance it back out. 

Great lance is pretty balanced imo, Only a select few can survive a full speed couch... and even at that point I am just like  and then wait 20 seconds for them to stop paying attention again and couch them again

[Teeth]

In all seriousness though, 100% agreed, Heavy lance, Light lance and Normal Lance should receive a slight damage buff though, take away their ability to couch you need to add something to balance it back out. 

Nope, these weapons are strong enough without having a crushthrough attack.

[Spartacus]

I don't think the sky is blue.

Actually the sky is not blue.

Edit: I do not think that couching should be removed because a person can just run around holding down block and he would be secure against cav (of course he hast to look at the cav and downblock).

[Zlisch_The_Butcher]

Actually the sky is not blue.

Edit: I do not think that couching should be removed because a person can just run around holding down block and he would be secure against cav (of course he hast to look at the cav and downblock).

Any halfdecent cav with more than 1wpf in polearm and a heavy lance can bump-lance...
And to the people bitching about their lances not onehitting everyone, lol, we must be playing a different game, whenever I'm out of throwing lances and loot a lance I'll pretty much onehit anyone I'm attacking 50% of the time, and I got 0 fucking ps.
Back when I last had a lancer alt I could also onehit anything as long as I wasn't stationary...

[Vkvkvk]

Actually the sky is not blue.

Edit: I do not think that couching should be removed because a person can just run around holding down block and he would be secure against cav (of course he hast to look at the cav and downblock).

You forgot the bump damage and the bumpstabbing. Effectively locking me down in a downblock animation until I die via bump damage or bumpstabs because I can't reach him with his huge ass lance.

[Nightingale]

Nope, these weapons are strong enough without having a crushthrough attack.

I wouldnt know, I have only ever had a Great lance alt, but I still believe it would be fair to give them +3 damage on the weapons thrust and remove couching. I say its a fair trade even a bit one sided actually. Remove Lancer ability to couch (crush through- sorta like that) for +3 thrust points.

[DaveUKR]

You forgot the bump damage and the bumpstabbing. Effectively locking me down in a downblock animation until I die via bump damage or bumpstabs because I can't reach him with his huge ass lance.

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[Tzar]

TBH i allways wondered all the way back to native why the heavy lances had a couch ability in the first place since i find it a bit overkill 

[Torben]

TBH i allways wondered all the way back to native why the heavy lances had a couch ability in the first place since i find it a bit overkill 

you cant be serious?  in native the great lances had thrust,  the long awlpike was useable on horse with shield,  and you wondered about the heavy lance? haha

[Equal]

If you want to remove couches then stand near a pikeman - I promise I will never couch near you. Problem solved!

Oh wait nvm that would be teamwork

[dodnet]

To keep this in perspective, I never 1 hit someone with my thrust on my +3 courser riding at full speed, unless they are very weak (low str character) or they aren't wearing a helmet and I hit them in the head.  People can complain about the damage cavalry does, but two points:

1) Damage output goes both ways, if I'm riding fast, I take a lot more damage as well.
2)  I am riding the fastest horse in the game, and thrusting a weapon that is putting that speed, as well as my weight (and the horses) behind it.  That's a  hell of a lot of weight behind that tiny little point that is piercing you.  It is going to do a lot of damage.

I don't think couching is easy mode, or press x to win mode.  The only time it works is against unaware/engaged infantry, or people who are slow and heavily armored (and would otherwise just be able to sit in and open field and down block me until the ends of time).

I can remember only one couch I survived (with almost no health left) through all my generations and I have a strength build with many IF and quite some armour. You're either trolling or doing something completely wrong if you don't oneshot almost everyone on a +3 courser!

[Herkkutatti666]

This has been suggested many times and it has always get over 9000 minuses, when bjord_le_gay suggest it, it gets over 9000 + . da faq

[dodnet]

This has been suggested many times and it has always get over 9000 minuses, when bjord_de_gay suggest it, it gets over 9000 + . da faq

It's the headdress 

[Piok]

This has been suggested many times and it has always get over 9000 minuses, when bjord_de_gay suggest it, it gets over 9000 + . da faq

It is because there is another thread about bringing old lance angle back so cav. do not minused him to not look biased
Actually hippophiles are salivating on old lance angle

[Torben]

Not about bias, just a tradeoff i woulda thought would work : )