Buff plate [Added poll!]

[Memento_Mori]

Your sarcastic banter implies you haven't read any of the thread

Oh.. Does it? Well then you do know everything. Carry on.   

[Captain_Georges]

Oh.. Does it? Well then you do know everything. Carry on.   

thank you.

[Lichen]

2 main uses of plate are as a mauler (cause don't try to outplay anyone while wearing plate...you're a very lethargic turtle). Or on cav (your inability to move fast doesn't matter when riding). That's basically it.

[Elindor]

2 main uses of plate are as a mauler (cause don't try to outplay anyone while wearing plate...you're a very lethargic turtle). Or on cav (your inability to move fast doesn't matter when riding). That's basically it.

This historically kinda makes sense.

[Lichen]

This historically kinda makes sense.

I agree and it would be fine to be so slow IF you couldn't be beat to a pulp by anyone with a sword or stick who simply spams you into oblivion (yes you CAN block and block and block but what's the use? When you try to swing back guess how easy it also is for the guy to block your slow swing? answer=very). That's why glancing of the weaker (and faster) weapons is crucial to heavy armor yet nothing really glances now. With the slower and harder hitting weapons you have a fair chance to hit back.

The whole point of armor is you get protection for a trade off in mobility and speed yet the only real reason to use plate (protection) doesn't really exist in game. Still get headshot through 56 head armor and 9IF. Still get beat by anyone with a 1h sword or stick who can block as good or better than you. Main thing plate is good for now is protecting against weak archers, though those are very few (maybe horse archers and that's about it). Really it's mainly for status now and not actual usefulness.

[Teeth]

Strength does nothing to decrease speed penalty from weight as far as I know.

I think a major problem for you George is your low str you must be very slow in plate with so little strength.

Even if it does, I hope you don't seriously believe it is to the extent to make this statement correct. Yes, that 7 athlethics must really make you slow compared to having 3, wat?

[Captain_Georges]

This historically kinda makes sense.

I would suggest avoiding historical discussions cause they do not end well, I'd rather keep the subject of the balance in-game.

[zagibu]

This historically kinda makes sense.

No. The only reason plated guys were usually riding horses, is because plated guys were usually of the very high nobility, and thus, cavalry. However, they were not helpless on foot, far from it, actually.

[Pentecost]

As someone who does not use heavy armor on any of his characters, I'd just like to point out that if I wear +3 heavy gauntlets and a +3 lamellar vest, I have as much armor as unloomed gothic but with a lower cost (20k vs. 25k), lower effective wpf penalty (9lbs + 8lbs vs. 25 lbs), and much lower overall weight (9lbs + 2lbs vs. 25lbs).

[Fartface]

I got 39 STR and I use lordly heavy gear and yeah evrybody does no damage but each hit does stun me for 1 sec or something , it´s realy weird.
EDIT: Also yesterday on eu1 using a MW nodachi I one hitted georges , but then right after a guy in a kuyak survived my swing to the face? The random damage is so bullshit aswel ... with my build il sometimes 1hit a guy using plate armour and sometimes I 3 hit somebody in lam vest.

[Vodner]

Also yesterday on eu1 using a MW nodachi I one hitted georges

Was it held? Did it have a high speed bonus? Did you hit his face?

All of the bonuses stack multiplicatively (aside from the strength/5 bonus), so you could potentially do (2.04)(1.25)(1.2)(1 + whatever the speed bonus is)(0.85 + WPF*0.0015) times the base damage. If the speed bonus was around 25%, your WPF was 111 (after armor reductions), and you scored a solid (no sweetspot penalty) hit, you could potentially be doing 389% of the base damage of your +3 nodachi (before armor reductions), which is the equivalent of an unheld 0 speed bonus 100 WPF bodyhit at 36 PS. That's not including the strength/5 additive bonus to damage, but that's negligible.

If you scored a hit like that on Georges, but only scored average or sub-par hits on generic kuyak-wearing 2h user #673, that would easily explain the difference in hits.

[Jarlek]

I wouldn't mind making heavy armour more protective. Currently, they're not really worth their price.

[HUtH]

Late-medieval/renaissance plate armour is:
- well-fitted - weight doesn't tire so much as heavy mail that burden mainly shoulders  -  so lower the weight of it!
- super-protective - slashing weapons like swords are useless, piercing work good only in weak spots, generally only hard-hitting weapons are effective in pure melee, otherwise all boil down to knock down the opponent with hook weapon or by fighting techniques and then kill  -  so only some major change in dmg type mechanics and weapon balance could work...
- pauldrons and other plates limit freedom of moves a bit  -  add some WPF penalty?(but still lower the weight)

[oohillac]

Currently using +3 Plate Armour, +3 Topfhelm, +3 Lamellar Gauntlets.  6 Ironflesh.

THIS SHIT IS OP

So, please, buff!

[Teeth]

Currently using +3 Plate Armour, +3 Topfhelm, +3 Lamellar Gauntlets.  6 Ironflesh.

THIS SHIT IS OP

So, please, buff!

Seems like your sense of style needs a buff.