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[Smoothrich]

Basing it upon the fact that 1h is the most common medieval style of combat, along with the spear. 2h came about as a counter to pole based squad tactics. It would also increase teamwork due to the limited range of combat of 1h weapons. Shields are NOT duelists(with shield at least).  It would also make poles the pre-eminent  support weapon. Cav would be REAL good with this change(especially 1h cav) and 2h would loose their supreme versatility.

I dunno what game you play dude, strength build shielders with blunt or pierce weapons dominate every Strat siege I've been in, 2-3 shotting heavy infantry with ease.

[Fips]

PLEASE let the AI buy something better than normal arrows and long bows then. I didnt respecced to archer for strat, i respecced to archer because it's fun, don't nerf it to the ground again, that's what makes me stop playing archer in the first place =(

You know 200% speed will make high level archers very...well OP? For example, Blast the Grey draws that Rus Bow like it's a Horn bow now as it is, 200% speed will make that speed for many archers just fkkn insane. AI castle defending archers are pretty much fucked then anyway, the difference between loomed archers and unloomed are very huge.

However, let's just see how this works out, i'm not quite sure this will be a good solution to nerf archers in strat.

[Patoson]

I'm playing on EU_New_1 and everyone's level is 0 or similar, so nobody can pick up things lying on the ground.

[Visconti]

The respawn timer increase sounds like a bad idea imo... attacking in a strat battle is already a huge pain in the ass, this is gonna make it nearly impossible 

[//saxon]

yes stats are bugged i have 0 WPF in archery and 0 Power draw but im 3 hitting tin cans and 1 hitting horses.

my cross hair is massive and my bow is slower than a long bow. but im doing so much damage.

[Lt_Anders]

I dunno what game you play dude, strength build shielders with blunt or pierce weapons dominate every Strat siege I've been in, 2-3 shotting heavy infantry with ease.

that's a problem with strength and the fact that agi is useless. If they patch and fix strength and agi. I'm sure things will be different.

haven't seen 1h dominate. It's always been archers/xbows. Name a few and I might say Yea ok never saw them.

Personally, i've done well as cav or xbow. 1:1 or slightly better as 2h and shittiest as 1h. Then ofcourse i played 1h back before the price change and massive plate crutching.

[dodnet]

I'm playing on EU_New_1 and everyone's level is 0 or similar, so nobody can pick up things lying on the ground.

EU1 Server seem to have crash just a few minutes ago and after rejoin my stats are all 0 too. It feels faster than my normal build though, must be some random stats.

[sF_Guardian]

that's a problem with strength and the fact that agi is useless. If they patch and fix strength and agi. I'm sure things will be different.

haven't seen 1h dominate. It's always been archers/xbows. Name a few and I might say Yea ok never saw them.

Personally, i've done well as cav or xbow. 1:1 or slightly better as 2h and shittiest as 1h. Then ofcourse i played 1h back before the price change and massive plate crutching.

Dude, your suggestions are just mad.
Strat battles feel pretty well balanced atm, I can play there with every class nearly equally good (depending on
gamemode for shure)
Your stalinic methods to make players play what you think they should play and how they should play are laughable shit.

[Mike_of_Kingswell]

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Have to say that i think you are going about this the wrong way

The reason people are respeccing is because early on in Strat there is no Cav which means archers are king.  No Cav means archers are free to kite as much as they want without fear.  Once Strat gets far enough that we have Cav again all these respeccers will respec right back to melee/cav again.

What needs to happen is the following

1) Decrease the cost of the lighter horses
2) Increase in the cost of the heavier bows/xbows.
3) Fix Cav spawns (if not already done)
4) Prevent Spawning when there are enemies within 1 or 2m of a spawn flag.  This will mean that teams have to defend in FRONT of their spawn.  Currently most teams defend behind it and just charge down when needed.  This allows defending archers to hug the hill that usually occurs at the edge of the map meaning their backs are always protected.  Force them forward and they are then more vulnerable to flanking attacks and less OP.
5) Make Shield requirements strength based for Strat.  Without skill even the decent 1 slot shields will break in melee quickly so they are only really useful vs archers.  It also means better formations instead of 30 2Hs hiding behind 5 Shielders

Tomas sums it up good for me!



WHY would you change archerys in strat from archery in crpg?

Makeing archers use up their arrows faster by makeing them shoot like machineguns? Sounds not like a good idea. And what if you dont have a weapon rack? suiciding archers all over the place?

Why is it always archery that gets fucked up?!

[Nebun]

lol best battle out of 3 was for the village, the one without any changes to archery
1st mode of fast shooting looked stupid and also was very weak, archers was useless

[Plavor]

Xbow was also dead..

[Lt_Anders]

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Dude, your suggestions are just mad.
Strat battles feel pretty well balanced atm, I can play there with every class nearly equally good (depending on
gamemode for shure)
Your stalinic methods to make players play what you think they should play and how they should play are laughable shit.

Ok then why not make critques and say stuff. chadz made a change to archers(server nerf) on strat. If they can ONLY change classes on strat, why NOT try and come out with something that is truly balanced for strat.

and, I don't know about you, but armies in nothing but plate, with top tier 2h and 1h and sheilds isn't balanced, it's bullshit. If gear used IS changed(which it will be), why not balance along a certain average class.

I'm good at all classes even without wpf. It's just because of the gear in strat battles.

Also FYI, spears and 1h/sheild should be the most common classes while 2h's much smaller. Of ranged, xbows should be much better in defence than offence and bows should be better on the feild. With the change to bows, bows become much better in field battles vs the xbows and in siege...well we shall see....

[Matey]

if you let archers clump together to have the same damage as normal with the same accuracy as normal but with 2x the fire rate... its not going to be a nerf at all.

for balancing ranged in strat... if the goal is to make weapon racks and such very important for archers, then why not just reduce the amount of arrows per stack in strat, but otherwise leave it alone? (as in normal damage/accuracy/speed but less ammo)

also, for the increased respawn timer... i would say add 1 second per death and then cap it at 20-30 seconds. punishing those who run off an die all the time is all well and good, but if everyone is waiting around for minutes to respawn in longer matches then itll get boring in a hurry... also, slowing respawn may require an adjustment to the time limit of battles since it will become harder to kill people fast enough.

[LordRichrich]

The idea is to make archers stay on groups, allowing sheild wall advances and cavalry mop-ups of lone archers to be much easier, severly nerfing the lone archer and encouraging team play

[Lt_Anders]

Also, if you count a standard siege. It's 2k vs 2k for castles, cities and GOOD battles is 1k verus 1k. If 50 players all die in equal amounts thats 20 average deaths and 80 second respawn just for a 1k strat battle. At the end of the battle, you'll have who ever can kill the most first win cause the other team won't be able to reinforce AT ALL.

Also, sheild wall? Other than Hosp and the last kutt versus FPF i haven't seen a huge amount of 1h/sheild. Mostly archers now