Homophobia part 2

[Oberyn]

Evolution isn't about making a species better. It's about addaptation. We are living in a world where humanity has no predators, no competitors, no factors limiting reproduction. What does "evolution" do in nature when that happens with a species? They get whittled down by sickness or lack of resources because there are so many of them the ecosystem breaks down and cannot sustain. If anything I'd say homosexuality makes perfect fucking sense from an evolutionary perspective. Of course humans have ceased to be subject to the same rules of evolutionary pressure as other animals for tens of thousands of years now, so even talking about evolution in a human context makes no fucking sense.

[Bobthehero]

I said help a specie survive, not be better.

Also

On the contrary homosexuality is something that has been observed in other species, so it is apparently natural.

[Grumpy_Nic]

"Fuckin bundle of sticks" is an awesome word to shout when angry. Or grumpy.

[Bobthehero]

Or drunk

[Oberyn]

Homosexuality in an animal context is always "bisexual". I.E they fuck anything. And evolution help a species survive? No. It helps put a species in their place. Our natural place in the evolutionary ladder is as small packs of roving predators. Agriculture? We told evolution FUCK YOU, we get our food when we want it, not when you deign to give it to us. Medicine? FUCK YOU evolution, we'll die when we're good and ready. Literally everything that makes us humans has been a big FUCK YOU to nature, the very story of civilization is humanity removing itself from the yoke of nature. Psychologically and biologically we are still those same roving packs of animals. The few evolutionary pressures we are still under are entirely artificial and man-made though.

[Molly]

I agree with the FUCK YOU - part.
Everywhere in the 1st world, the social nets are breaking down. We tend to do alot of things to provide every last single bit of technology to keep humans alive that would die otherwise.
It may not be social or accepted to talk about those kind of things in our civilization but sometimes I am thinking:"Seriously? Keep that poor being alive is the way you chose to go?"

I don't have any solutions or any ideas. I am just thinking that death needs to be less frightened to us. The viewpoint should shift back to the more natural understanding of life and its counterpart. That's actually how it used to be. And I am blaming religion for the fucked up view on death we have today.
The border between being alive and just being a "working organism" has completely vanished in some cases. If someone is just down in his/her bed, haven't been awake for 3 months, that has nothing to do with being alive, that's just an "working" pile of cells...

Anyway, following some of the arguments of Oberyn would mean that HIV, cancer or H5N1 are desperate attempts of Nature getting back the upper hand over humanity, I guess.

[Corwin]

Nature is all about being random, it has no master plans.

And dying is in no way less scary in communist countries where we had no religion. When I asked my father what happens to me when I die, he answered that it is like sleeping without dreaming. I didn't find that comforting at all.

[Grumpy_Nic]

would be better if it was like computer gaming

[Molly]

Nature is all about being random, it has no master plans.

And dying is in no way less scary in communist countries where we had no religion. When I asked my father what happens to me when I die, he answered that it is like sleeping without dreaming. I didn't find that comforting at all.

I sounds comforting to me actually. I barely remember dreams. Couldn't even tell you if I dreamed or not.
So, believing your father, it would be just like sleeping.

[Oberyn]

The social nets breaking down in the west has nothing to do with technology. Even the way people lived a thousand years ago was completely "unnatural", and only slightly more at the mercy of nature. It has more to do with post-modernism ideology which is often completely insane and pretends that humans are a brand new species completely separated from their barbarian past (and sometimes present).
And you don't need to stop at modern diseases like HIV. Just look at things like malaria, syphilis, the black plague. Those are all automatic mechanisms deployed by nature to try and bring back humanity to their proper place in the ecosystem. But humans have been manipulating the ecosystem for thousands of years for their own benefit.

[isatis]

In fact you should be proud of homosexual :

• They take care of orphans
• They help reduce the global growth in population
• With the point up they'll help you get food for your children
• They are cool people and let you have a bigger pool of man/women to choose from
• And they do no harm!

Because of years of (christian) repression Homosexuality is now view as a ''sin'' but it has been there since the beginning of mankind! just watch Old Greek, Egypt, Rome Arab, African tribes etc...

In fact hating Homosexuals is pointless as they cannot change!

As Henri Laborit said : take it as a compliment when people don't tolerate you, it means they think you are free of your action

[Protemus]

I know I'm a partybreaker here but let me say something

Theory of Evolution is a bullshit,it's like trying to guess the puzzle picture that has 1000 parts with only 50 parts...it's not logical,you can't listen to that ape-fucker Darwin,we all know he was mentally ill and his theory was accepted just so that it can opose church and belief in God

I find much easier to belive there is someone who created us with purpose then that we are just a side effect of an accident or even better explosion that happend million billion trillion years ago...period.

[Molly]

I know I'm a partybreaker here but let me say something

Theory of Evolution is a bullshit,it's like trying to guess the puzzle picture that has 1000 parts with only 50 parts...it's not logical,you can't listen to that ape-fucker Darwin,we all know he was mentally ill and his theory was accepted just so that it can opose church and belief in God

I find much easier to belive there is someone who created us with purpose then that we are just a side effect of an accident or even better explosion that happend million billion trillion years ago...period.

Always wondered how some people can be that ignorant in our modern times. Baffles me every time.

[Oberyn]

I never said the theory of evolution was eroneous. Anyone who has any familiarity with modern technology (specifically biology, genetics, anything that has to do with the study of life) knows that evolution is the cornerstone of a shitload of advances. You're just butthurt because it makes vastly more sense than whatever mindless fairytale some donkeyfucker hundreds or thousands of years ago dreamed up and you were taught to believe.

[zagibu]

People tend to forget that sexuality has nothing to do with reproduction. Or maybe they don't know it yet?