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Re: 1 hand needs a fix.
« Reply #90 on: August 07, 2012, 08:26:30 pm »
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El_Infante guide to block onehanders.
First attack: Block left 100% success
Second attack: Block left 100% success
Third attack: Block overhead 100% success
Profit.

It's retarded a class that only have 1 decent attack and another crappy one if things go bad. No. 1H is a overnerfed class. Low damage, low reach, low speed, skill points hungry. I played all of possible classes of cRPG and shielder is the most difficult to play with the less reward for mastering it.

Egan's guide to block twohanders.
First attack: right click to use shield
Second attack: right click to use shield
Third attack: right click to use shield
Profit.

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Re: 1 hand needs a fix.
« Reply #91 on: August 07, 2012, 08:31:38 pm »
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Inb4 scrub shielders demand 2h animations an crushrough weapons an call for more nerfs against their mighty oppressors the evil 2h´s
I've never played a server where people split up as much or as often as on EU1.  No wonder range is having a field day.

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Re: 1 hand needs a fix.
« Reply #92 on: August 07, 2012, 08:33:20 pm »
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Please give 1hers 2h animations, they are so much worse then the 1h ones. (In terms of visibility, not bonus length)

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Re: 1 hand needs a fix.
« Reply #93 on: August 07, 2012, 08:38:00 pm »
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Egan's guide to block twohanders.

It takes about 5-9 attacks with a greatsword to break a typical shield, say an average of about 10 seconds. Which is why most 2h don't bother to bring an axe/morningstar sidearm just for shieldbreaking. Not that you need to even break the shield, just kick and block while you are kicking, no risk.

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Re: 1 hand needs a fix.
« Reply #94 on: August 07, 2012, 08:46:55 pm »
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It takes about 5-9 attacks with a greatsword to break a typical shield

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I've never played a server where people split up as much or as often as on EU1.  No wonder range is having a field day.

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Re: 1 hand needs a fix.
« Reply #95 on: August 07, 2012, 08:53:53 pm »
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I have 6 shield skill, and a +3 Heavy Round Shield. It takes 10-13 greatsword hits to break my shield. So about 5 extra seconds for my significant loom and skill point investment.


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Re: 1 hand needs a fix.
« Reply #96 on: August 07, 2012, 09:01:40 pm »
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It takes about 5-9 attacks with a greatsword to break a typical shield,
I've never played a server where people split up as much or as often as on EU1.  No wonder range is having a field day.

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Re: 1 hand needs a fix.
« Reply #97 on: August 07, 2012, 09:06:42 pm »
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I have 6 shield skill, and a +3 Heavy Round Shield. It takes 10-13 greatsword hits to break my shield. So about 5 extra seconds for my significant loom and skill point investment.

Do you know how many hits it takes for my twohander to block an arrow?

Also maybe you should try not walking into kicks like an idiot.

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Re: 1 hand needs a fix.
« Reply #98 on: August 07, 2012, 09:09:08 pm »
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+3 Danish (typical) w/ 8 Power Strike (typical) and 140 wpf (typical)
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Elite Cavalry Shield (one of the most popular shields) w/ 5 Shield Skill (typical)

=Takes an average of 5.85 held attacks to break, so 5 if any speed bonus is involved.

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Re: 1 hand needs a fix.
« Reply #99 on: August 07, 2012, 09:11:15 pm »
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Do you know how many hits it takes for my twohander to block an arrow?
Also maybe you should try not walking into kicks like an idiot.

You can chamber arrows with any weapon. This shouldn't be any problem for you, since you are so pro you would never get kicked while using a short weapon.

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Re: 1 hand needs a fix.
« Reply #100 on: August 07, 2012, 09:14:42 pm »
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Just for comparison, anyone remember when the 2h stab had a very small delay after it, so you couldn't spam it or whatever? Everyone cried until it was reverted.

Now take a look at the 1h left swing when blocked.

And 1h is not just shielders.
Hooray for customization and hybridization!
Down with monotonous pure classes!

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Re: 1 hand needs a fix.
« Reply #101 on: August 07, 2012, 10:22:40 pm »
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You can chamber arrows with any weapon. This shouldn't be any problem for you, since you are so pro you would never get kicked while using a short weapon.

Are you seriously equating blocking an arrow with a shield with chambering an arrow with a weapon?

Shielders need to understand that if they were as effective in damage dealing as polearms and 2H (or any class that can't use a shield), there would be no point in going polearms or 2H. Shielders gain immense defensive ability in exchange for damage dealt. More tank, less spank.

On my shielder alt, I have had a danish smack my elite cav shield (5 shield skill) more than 5 times before my shield broke. Actual gameplay > theory math.

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Re: 1 hand needs a fix.
« Reply #102 on: August 07, 2012, 10:38:02 pm »
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Are you seriously equating blocking an arrow with a shield with chambering an arrow with a weapon?

Shielders need to understand that if they were as effective in damage dealing as polearms and 2H (or any class that can't use a shield), there would be no point in going polearms or 2H. Shielders gain immense defensive ability in exchange for damage dealt.

I was equating avoiding getting kicked while wielding a short 1-hander to chambering arrows. Since Egan is apparently so l33t he can do the former, obviously he can pull off the latter with regularity. I should know better than to attempt sarcasm on the internet.

Other than maybe a slight tweak for 1h swords, no one is really asking for more damage. 1-handers just want more than one attack direction that isn't saddled with crippling flaws (high glance rate, huge delay, small sweetspot, etc).

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Re: 1 hand needs a fix.
« Reply #103 on: August 07, 2012, 10:40:40 pm »
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Actually what Egan said makes sense. I've lost count how many times I've kicked a shielder because they charged straight at me, holding their shield up. It's not even difficult to kick someone when they do that.

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Re: 1 hand needs a fix.
« Reply #104 on: August 07, 2012, 10:47:18 pm »
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Try stabbing if you know you going up a decent kicker worked for me when i was a shielder.
I've never played a server where people split up as much or as often as on EU1.  No wonder range is having a field day.