2h stab

[Daniisme]

Lower the 2h stab....

danish gs can reach something like 3meters.... thats stuipd....

[Fuma Kotaro]

And the 2h stab nerf wasn't a nerf for 2h it was a nerf for polearms with 2/1 direction and 1handers (Specially Long espada eslavona and those

[Dark_Blade]

+
nerf this shit!I am 2h, yes, but when danish or german gs can get  reach about 160... its fucking stuped

[Korgoth]

Danish and German Greatswords Thrust has more reach than the thrust of a War Spear.

Nerf.

[Haboe]

Danish and German Greatswords Thrust has more reach than the thrust of a War Spear.

Nerf.

[sF_Guardian]

 Nerf, 2H stab lasts too long and has too long reach...

[Tavuk_Bey]

+1 and remove the ghost range of german greatsword. encourage people to use halfswording for thrust attacks, which was more historically accurate for such huge swords

[rustyspoon]

It was nerfed before for a VERY short time. We all almost drowned from the tears of 2h players.

[Tydeus]

You have got to be kidding me... Has anyone in this thread actually looked at the damage that 2h thrusts have? Do you know how much damage 23p is? Sure, it's pierce, but on a 13K gold sword, it better at least do SOME damage. The swings do a minimum of two times as much damage. Just go run the numbers on the damage calc, hell multiply that damage by 10% to account for thrusts being easier to get a good speed bonus with than side swings. You're still looking at a lot less damage for thrusts, than for any other swing.

If you take the range away from greatswords, you take away a huge factor that plays into the versatility of 2hers, as that's really all greatswords have going for them.

Edit: Copying this over because it's apparent that a lot of people simply have no idea what this damage amounts to.

Here, I'll run the numbers for you and copy paste from the damage calc.

21 str, 7 PS, 100 wpf, 40 c 2h:
40 armor - 21 - 40
50 armor - 13 - 35
60 armor - 7 - 30
70 armor - 3 - 25

21 str, 7 PS, 100 wpf, 23 p 2h:
40 armor - 11 - 24
50 armor - 6 - 21
60 armor - 1 - 17
70 armor - 0 - 14

You will never get a 100% speed bonus on foot. 20% on average is probably realistic, and even with that you're still not doing anywhere near the amount of damage that you'd do, if you just chose a side swing.

21 str, 7 PS, 100 wpf, 30 p pole:
40 armor - 21 - 34
50 armor - 14 - 30
60 armor - 8 - 27
70 armor - 4 - 23

Polearms with 30 or more pierce thrust: Battle Fork, Awlpike, Long Awlpike, Ashwood Pike, Double Sided Lance, Poleaxe. There are more, but I excluded them for obvious reasons.

[Sagar]

[Fuma Kotaro]

Was started by a hater but liked by everyone else

2h are op right now you 2h noobs should get it . I was long enough 2h and it was so easy

[rustyspoon]

I think the length of 2h stabs is fine as is. I'm also fine with a damage increase. They need to speed up the animation though. The fact that it is so slow and active during the entire time means you can walk into a finished animation and still get hit. That's kinda dumb.

[Sagar]

This "suggestion threads" are not valid. There a tons of whining topic like this every day. Every class looking other class like OP, and then crying here on forum. Because of that, this topics are not helping community in any way. It is very hard to balance this game, but devs do they job best they can.

I am dedicated 2H and for me there a 1000 things that bother me about other classes, but like I said already - it is very hard game to balanced and there also engine limitations.

All 2H are already nerfed, they make them shorter and they have lover cut and pierce then before.

Suck it up - and just play god damn game.

[Rhekimos]

... you can walk into a finished animation and still get hit.

This could use a fix. Let's make the animations show what's actually happening, instead of stationary swords making 30 pierce to the head.

[Ptolemy]

Do you know how much damage 23p is?

Yes, it's 6 more than a +3 katana has. The greatswords are too long to thrust the way they do, if you thrusted like that in real life you'd get tired faster than you can say "lolstab". The main reason that people cry about 2H being OP is because of the massive length and speed of the greatswords, especially the stab. The shorter 2H weapons are actually not all that good, they're certainly balanced with 1H and the majority of polearms - it's just that hardly anyone uses them because they can spend a couple thousand more to use a greatsword.

I picked up a MW danish on my (1wpf 2h) thrower alt the other day and got more kills with it in 30 seconds than I did with my throwing spears for the next 4 rounds. In siege. When you can get that kind of result from a sword with NO proficiency, something is seriously fucking wrong.

Give all the 120+ length swords the polearm stab animation, that should fix it right up.