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Crossbows makes archery look like a silly pursuit.
« on: July 12, 2012, 02:30:16 pm »
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Re: Crossbows makes archery look like a silly pursuit.
« Reply #1 on: July 12, 2012, 02:36:28 pm »
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Now now, a crossbowman is not nearly as effective as a good rus-bow archer, and unlike a good archer will have to get most of his kills in melee. Granted crossbows are effective much sooner then archery is which requires high level to actually work, but if you think as a ranged class they are better, not really.
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Re: Crossbows makes archery look like a silly pursuit.
« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2012, 02:44:32 pm »
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I dont care, archery is cooler.

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Re: Crossbows makes archery look like a silly pursuit.
« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2012, 02:55:39 pm »
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Let us see my inc thread on throwing, you my old friendcher bitches got NOTHING to hate, and no, I ain't ever making a thread comparing throwing to bowing like this, but you need to shut the fuck up.
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Re: Crossbows makes archery look like a silly pursuit.
« Reply #4 on: July 12, 2012, 04:51:25 pm »
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I think u forgot the bonus damage (14%) with every powerdraw.
For the example Hornbow needs 5 powerstrike so it would make ~83 damage, when the bow and arrows are masterworked.
So whats your problem?

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Re: Crossbows makes archery look like a silly pursuit.
« Reply #5 on: July 12, 2012, 05:35:18 pm »
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lol Archery makes xbows obsolete you dumb tool stop posting bullshit.
I've never played a server where people split up as much or as often as on EU1.  No wonder range is having a field day.

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Re: Crossbows makes archery look like a silly pursuit.
« Reply #6 on: July 12, 2012, 06:16:33 pm »
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No fence to you but this thread is complete BS.
Consider that bows can fire 2 shots by the time a crossbow fires 1.
Plus you can reload while moving! Wow! If an archer could learn to take advantage of this they'd be 2X better!
Make the longbow and warbow 1 slot? NO. How could big bows liek that be small enough for 1 slot?
Make all crossbows 2 slots? BS. They are perfectly balanced the way they are.
Crossbows started to piss me off after they removed the ability to fire in the air. They are nerfed enough as is.

My suggestion would be to decrease the accuracy of all crossbows BUT give a bigger increase to accuracy in crossbow wpf.
This way it'd be harder for melee builds to use a crossbow efficiently without high crossbow wpf.

BTW your heirloom stats are completely wrong. You don't get 16 ammo with MW steel bolts. You get only 13.
« Last Edit: July 12, 2012, 06:21:15 pm by Strider »

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Re: Crossbows makes archery look like a silly pursuit.
« Reply #7 on: July 12, 2012, 07:24:23 pm »
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Ground xbow users?

No. My Archer hybrid build eats those xbow builds at range and is equal in melee. I won't die in one shot and you won't get another.

Now if we are talking about HX vs HA, I agree. No reason to make a HA when you can make a superior HX.
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Re: Crossbows makes archery look like a silly pursuit.
« Reply #8 on: July 12, 2012, 07:27:31 pm »
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Now if we are talking about HX vs HA, I agree. No reason to make a HA when you can make a superior HX.

True , i played HA and HX and i have to say HX is more powerful than HA, anyone can tell me the reason why they made Horse archery skill so low? I played STF on HA and i have to say their accuracy is very shit indeed, and yet they don't do very much damage , its like 1/3 damage compare to foot archers

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Re: Crossbows makes archery look like a silly pursuit.
« Reply #9 on: July 12, 2012, 07:43:27 pm »
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sir, you must be quite noob if you can't beat fukken hybrid freaks at range with your bow.. xbows are already nerfed as hell with the last few patches, slots increased, ammo decreased, damage decreased, projectile speed decreased, what else left to nerf? no need to mention fucking rain nerf which happens all the time.

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Re: Crossbows makes archery look like a silly pursuit.
« Reply #10 on: July 12, 2012, 07:53:29 pm »
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HX vs HA and the HA wins IMO.  Even given the fact the HX can still reload while moving. 

As far as being more effective when it comes to kills and taking out enemy cavalry/horses, the HX all the way. 
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Re: Crossbows makes archery look like a silly pursuit.
« Reply #11 on: July 12, 2012, 11:19:22 pm »
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I have played dedicated crossbowman, dedicated archer, hybrid crossbow/shielder, and horse archer builds.

Crossbow (and its lack of point investment) make it much more favorable for hybrids than archery. On the other hand, dedicated archery builds let you fire arrow after arrow with amazing speed and damage on par with most crossbow setups. They aren't equal but that doesn't mean that one is better than the other. They are useful for different things  :)
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Re: Crossbows makes archery look like a silly pursuit.
« Reply #12 on: July 12, 2012, 11:41:21 pm »
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HX vs HA and the HA wins IMO.  Even given the fact the HX can still reload while moving. 

As far as being more effective when it comes to kills and taking out enemy cavalry/horses, the HX all the way.

Let's see Rohyp and Murchad go at it and settle it once and for all!

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Re: Crossbows makes archery look like a silly pursuit.
« Reply #13 on: July 13, 2012, 01:52:19 pm »
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Psychoyeah: I did account for powerdrawbonus, but not wpf(crpg blackbox alchemy) the numbers are accurate enough for comparison.
Strider: The ammoamount is correct, I wrote MW Bolts, not MW steel bolts that makes the dmg even higher.

The point here is not if 1slot crossbows are equal,sligthly better or worse.
Its that dedicated melee can have the same capabilities as archers at no other cost than 3697gold.
The real upkeepcost from archery comes from repairing those bodkin arrows. While the bolts cost almost nothing to repair.

Archers face camping heavy armor shielders that 1-2 shots.(headshots are more likely ,since its easier to aim with crossbow,and harder to dodge).
Should be so lucky to actually hit them the brief second they are in line of sight ,the arrow does little dmg to their heavy armor, The crossbowuser just shields up and either moves to safe location or come running at you shield infront.

The restrictions placed on archery stem from earlier versions of crpg, where noone would consider playing crossbow, since it was so lame.
Inorder to curb the massive frustration with archery dominance,some maybe ill advised req. were put in place and has stayed this way.

No req on crossbows makes sense from a historical perspective, it displaced bow and arrow.And eventually the armored knight.
Archers wore proper armor and sidearm aswell, but somehow that is not what crpg wants archers to be.
Ingame this makes archery somewhat redundant as a class.
Crossbows have stats balanced to rival a level 30 archer
And they can be used by anyone at almost no cost.

I and many other archers play with bows no matter what, because that is what we think is fun.
But would be more fun if not pushed into beeing a pure noveltyclass.
It will happen as more and more infantry equip crossbows.

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Re: Crossbows makes archery look like a silly pursuit.
« Reply #14 on: July 13, 2012, 03:54:59 pm »
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I think u forgot the bonus damage (14%) with every powerdraw.
For the example Hornbow needs 5 powerstrike so it would make ~83 damage, when the bow and arrows are masterworked.
So whats your problem?

His problem is probably that you're completely wrong.
PD gives the 14% bonus only for each PD ABOVE the PD requirement for the bow, so 5 PS hornbow : 0% PD bonus.
Nevermind that. Me being dumb, again.

On the other hand, wpf gives a slight damage bonus.
But if hornbow could deal ~83 damage (how the hell did you even manage to type that without facepalming ?), they'de one shot most people...


Xbows are very usefull, and good xbowmen are more accurate than good archers. But when there's cav coming for you, the archer can stand his ground, whereas the xbow has to downblock. Real archers are always a threat. A reloading crossbowman is not a threat, and gives you 2sec peace. Use it well.
« Last Edit: July 14, 2012, 01:03:43 am by Bulzur »
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