[SUGG] Anti "nude leaching" system

[Chort]

Main idea - if you do not use weapon you will pay penalty (instead of repair)

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LEVEL; // your character level
TOTAL_EQUIPMENTS_COST; // total equipments cost
MAGIC_NUMBER = 500; // some magical number, need to balance

if(TOTAL_EQUIPMENTS_COST < LEVEL * MAGIC_NUMBER)
{
ComputeEquipmentPenalty(); // something close to repair equipments for (LEVEL * MAGIC_NUMBER) gold.
}
else
{
UseDefaultRepairBehavior();
}

Most of players never will pay penalty. At level 20 you need equipments that cost only 10 000 gold - it's not too much.

P.S. It's only suggestion...

[Punisher]

No, this would force you to use more expensive gear as you level up. Most people use 30-35k gear, but still forcing it would be unfair. For example if someone wants to play in peasant clothes with a katana at level 30 why stop him.

Easiest way to implement what you are suggesting is getting no xp/gold ticks if you spawn without a weapon.

[Jarlek]

This looks all good but what about ninjas and lol-builds?
For example nemeth have an alt where he runs around with just a long dagger and light clothing. He's hilariously fast in it and most of the time he gets a couple of kills (so he is not leeching/not contributing). Under this people like him would be penalised. Although I have heard him complain about what he should do with all the money he has...

But I really like the idea man! Everything to make those damn leechers/looters pay!

[Ninja_Khorin]

Sounds like a horrible idea.
I'd rather not have to pay extra when in my peasant disguise. Or my light ninja armor.
This would also hurt the tincans who spend half their time in cheap gear because of upkeep

[Chort]

No, this would force you to use more expensive gear as you level up. Most people use 30-35k gear, but still forcing it would be unfair. For example if someone wants to play in peasant clothes with a katana at level 30 why stop him.

Admins will force leachers to use weapon in any case
I think for ninjas and other "players in peasant clothes with a katana" it's not big deal to pay small penalty.
Also we may to balance penalty in any time

This would also hurt the tincans who spend half their time in cheap gear because of upkeep

so I should lose, because they want to leach...

[Ninja_Khorin]

Admins will force leachers to use weapon in any case
I think for ninjas and other "players in peasant clothes with a katana" it's not big deal to pay small penalty.
Also we may to balance penalty in any time

so I should lose, because they want to leach...

It's not a bid deal for leechers either to pay a small penalty.... They mostly do it for experience in any case.
And people that use cheap gear to afford their upkeep aren't leechers and it's ridiculous that you think that.

[Chort]

Less benefits for a leeching - less leechers. My idea isn't panacea.

If people that use cheap gear are not leechers, they will use some weapon to win, to get X, to earn more money.  15k is not to much...

[Ninja_Khorin]

It's just that there are more people in cheap gear than there are leechers. Why punish those who are innocent? Also, this leads to tincans having an even harder time earning back their money.
Also, I'd like to argue that for leechers to vanish the benefits should be smaller for leeching than for playing normally. If they earn as much as a normal guy that plays the game, they'll still leech. They must earn stuff slower than regular players for their amount to reduce. I don't know how this can be done.

And you're argument that it doesn't matter much if you have to pay a little extra. I still say it doesn't matter much to leechers either.
The leechers will just be harder to spot since they're all in some form of gear that's just above your magical "below this you still have to pay"-line.

This will make leeching slower. And playing like it's meant to be played slower.

[Tears of Destiny]

No to this idea, how in the nine hells am I supposed to have that much crap on as an archer?

[Zisa]

Less benefits for a leeching - less leechers. My idea isn't panacea.

If people that use cheap gear are not leechers, they will use some weapon to win, to get X, to earn more money.  15k is not to much...

Your idea is not panacea, it's punishment. Perhaps a trip to the bondage shop would help your urges.

[Torp]

but... why not add penalty if you wear no weap or armor?
why would you add penalty for cheap items? that makes no sense

[Chort]

No to this idea, how in the nine hells am I supposed to have that much crap on as an archer?

Lamellar Vest + Strong bow + Khergit Arrows + Bastard Sword ~ 15 000 gold (I guess you are using better equipment). Even at level 30 you will not have to pay a penalty.

We can reduce the "MAGIC_NUMBER" to 400 or even lower. Even ninjas will never pay penalty  (ninja gears cost about 12-13k gold).

P.S. You should use some weapon in any case. If my system do not force you, that admins do it. It's only suggestion... my suggestion.

[Chort]

but... why not add penalty if you wear no weap or armor?
why would you add penalty for cheap items? that makes no sense

Player at level 30 with "Practice Dagger" it's not serious. That player should help team to win, not to lose.

Just need to find coefficient that will be acceptable for everyone (in most case)

[IG_Saint]

Player at level 30 with "Practice Dagger" it's not serious. That player should help team to win, not to lose.

You've obviously never seen Nemeth with his dagger. I don't see any way to punish the real leechers without punishing people that just like wearing minimal gear.

[Zisa]

Player at level 30 with "Practice Dagger" it's not serious. That player should help team to win, not to lose.

Just need to find coefficient that will be acceptable for everyone (in most case)

No, now you really want to punish team mates who are not doing their utmost to help YOUR multiplier. Face it, people need to screw around sometimes to keep it fun, trying to change that is going to lead to migration to some other inferior game.