Modern tanks, WHAT DO YOU THINK?

[Paul]

Why do you think a rifled tank gun is better than a smoothbore? Among other things smoothbore gives a lot more options for ammo selection. Afaik even the British will change to smoothbore for their next tank, even more with HESH rounds considered to be obsolete.

Anti-tank is done with long fin-stabilised sabots(long dart) anyway. I don't see rifling being effective with this kind of ammo. In terms of penetration those long projectiles perform best without a spin. Also smoothbore barrels get their projectiles off with a higher velocity than rifled barrels because some of the pressure is lost through the rifling itself. Also they are lighter and suffer from less barrel wear.

The only advantage I see from the rifled tank gun is the higher reach for the non-anti-tank ammo. But in terms of tank vs tank smoothbore is better imo.

[Kafein]

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[Bobthehero]

With all thoses IFV's with turret mounted missile launchers and infantry anti tank capacities and finally air capacity, tanks seem a bit redundant.

[Darkkarma]

german tanks

edit: fuck you, malaclypse

[Havoco]

All I know is, the world isn't complete without giant japanese-made combat robots.

[Teeth]

I am a proud citizen of a country that sold all their tanks.

[Rheinhardt]

Nobody's mentioned the most important elements: crew and doctrine.

In 1940, French tanks in all categories were superior to their German counterparts, sometimes markedly so. But German tanks swept the French from the field. The reason was that while the Panzer III and IV were inferior in armaments and armor, their crews were better trained and their armored doctrine was superior. Similarly when the Germans invaded Russia, while the T34 was superior, the German crews were veterans by this point and their better tactics and communications gave them victory where on-paper statistics spelled defeat.

With that in mind, consider the Abrams crews versus the crews of a Leopard. Which contains more combat veterans? Which units have fought together in combat? Which larger formations have their logistics base accustomed to repairing battle damage and keeping their vehicles operational?

You really have to give it to the Abrams in this respect.

[dynamike]

germany had best tanks of ww2 period

If you are a good boy I let you touch my German Smoothbore 

[Christo]

T34, cheap, mass produced, russian. (Better than the IS2)

Better target practice for German tanks, yes.

[Sir Ryden]

Why do you think a rifled tank gun is better than a smoothbore? Among other things smoothbore gives a lot more options for ammo selection. Afaik even the British will change to smoothbore for their next tank, even more with HESH rounds considered to be obsolete.

Anti-tank is done with long fin-stabilised sabots(long dart) anyway. I don't see rifling being effective with this kind of ammo. In terms of penetration those long projectiles perform best without a spin. Also smoothbore barrels get their projectiles off with a higher velocity than rifled barrels because some of the pressure is lost through the rifling itself. Also they are lighter and suffer from less barrel wear.

The only advantage I see from the rifled tank gun is the higher reach for the non-anti-tank ammo. But in terms of tank vs tank smoothbore is better imo.

Yeah, in tank vs tank, but this is just a general comparison. Like someone said there's waaaayyyyy too many factors to decide which tank is the "Best". Also yeah, the Abrams and Leopards smoothbore can use a variety of rounds; HEAT, APDS, Canister rounds with ceramic ball-bearings, MPAT, HE-OR-T, and a few others. But yeah, I see where you're coming from.

[Sir Ryden]

Most warfare these days is assymetrical and were it not to be (some hypothetical modern total war scenario), tanks would be irrelevent anyways. I wouldn't go so far as to say they are obsolete, but it's heading in that direction. Single use infantry AT weapons are much more efficient and common than they were in WW2. They certainly aren't worth much if there is no equivalent air superiority, beyond making good targets.

Yeah, tanks are pretty negligible nowadays,  but I still think they're pretty cool.

[Ad1no]

This is such an easy answer for me. This tank was built with the intentions of keeping the passengers ALIVE even thru direct RPG hits. And no one knows how to fight a modern war like the Israelis.. This tank is for modern warfare.

The Israeli Merkava

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[Protemus]

Why would you be interested in tanks,you will never drive them or see them...wel except if it comes to Third World War,which in that case I STILL don't care coz I live in asshole of our galaxy called Croatia (I love my country and it's beutiful,but it sucks coz we have fucking thiefs and bundle of stickss in gouverment)

[Bobthehero]

Well I for one is trying to be in the army, mind you I am hoping to get into a paratroopers batallion, but still.

[djavo]

I think I could destroy this tank with one well placed jarid.

Well I for one is trying to be in the army, mind you I am hoping to get into a paratroopers batallion, but still.

Atleast you dont live in Latvia, thank God for that.