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Modern tanks, WHAT DO YOU THINK?
« on: July 09, 2012, 08:05:07 am »
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      So, I know this is horse and archer simulator and this isn't really relevant to cRPG at all, but I felt like starting a discussion about modern tanks. Since I take a great interest in tanks, WW2 to present day. ANYWAYS, I really hop this doesn't come to a flame war about "said tank could kill said tank with ease", but more of a critical comparison and overall efficiency of the tank, combat effectiveness, armor thickness, slope, material, cannon, etc. Now, I HOPE YOU GUYS UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS MY OPINION, NOT YOURS, MINE. You can think whatever you want because this is a comparison. We also can't really debate which tank is the best, since they haven't ever been put against one another, but human speculation is always something that will be in play , Anyways, these are my top tanks:

       1: FV4034 Challenger 2 ( Armor is made out of Chobham or Depleted Uranium, has an L30A1 120MM Rifled cannon that is 73 Caliber IIRC. Giving it more penetration values than both the Abrams and Leopard 2, as they have 54 Caliber cannons that aren't rifled, has a Hydropneumatic Suspension which is 6 times more flexible than conventional steel. Can travel 25 MPH off-road and 35 on-road, IMO the best overall tank at the time.)
       2: M1A2 SEP TUSK Abrams ( Armor is made out of the same material as the Challenger; Depleted Uranium, Cannon is 120MM L44 M256 Smoothbore. Uses a Torsion Bar suspension, which is used on a lot of the modern tanks, and some of the late WW2 tanks. Has the same speed as the Challenger 2, Forms a very reliable and capable tank.)
       3: Leopard 2A6 ( Since this is the most modern version of the Leopard 2-series, the Leopard 2A7 hasn't had much combat experience so it's not as battle proven as the Abrams, Challenger, or this variant of the Leopard 2, could arguably take the number 1 spot, though. It's also hard to decide this between the Abrams, the armor however, which is Tungsten steel has actually proved to be more capable in protection than the Depleted Uranium, has a faster speed than both the Abrams and the Challenger, giving it an edge. Its cannon is the 120MM Rheinmetall L55 Smoothbore gun. Also has the same suspension as the Abrams; The Torsion-bar Suspension, overall a really awesome tank.)


    Feel free to debate about them, give your opinions, etc. DISCUSS.

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Re: Modern tanks, WHAT DO YOU THINK?
« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2012, 08:09:19 am »
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Re: Modern tanks, WHAT DO YOU THINK?
« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2012, 08:12:03 am »
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Re: Modern tanks, WHAT DO YOU THINK?
« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2012, 08:31:04 am »
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nothing like a fleet of tanks designed to combat a massive rush of soviet armor into west germany to keep and maintain even if all they do is drive over 3rd world peasants destroying their infrastructure and being nearly useless in the asymmetric warfare that first world nations do on a regular basis (aka stomp the shit out of poor non-white nations with airpower and nighttime commando raids)
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Re: Modern tanks, WHAT DO YOU THINK?
« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2012, 08:52:44 am »
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Re: Modern tanks, WHAT DO YOU THINK?
« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2012, 08:56:48 am »
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Re: Modern tanks, WHAT DO YOU THINK?
« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2012, 08:59:58 am »
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I'm gonna let you finish... but the T34 was the best tank ever.

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Re: Modern tanks, WHAT DO YOU THINK?
« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2012, 09:04:53 am »
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Most warfare these days is assymetrical and were it not to be (some hypothetical modern total war scenario), tanks would be irrelevent anyways. I wouldn't go so far as to say they are obsolete, but it's heading in that direction. Single use infantry AT weapons are much more efficient and common than they were in WW2. They certainly aren't worth much if there is no equivalent air superiority, beyond making good targets.
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Re: Modern tanks, WHAT DO YOU THINK?
« Reply #9 on: July 09, 2012, 09:08:55 am »
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I'm gonna let you finish... but the T34 was the best tank ever.

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Re: Modern tanks, WHAT DO YOU THINK?
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Re: Modern tanks, WHAT DO YOU THINK?
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Re: Modern tanks, WHAT DO YOU THINK?
« Reply #12 on: July 09, 2012, 10:51:37 am »
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Too many factors to consider, or at least, I don't know enough about all of them, but I think you left out a lot of important ones.

Obviously there's comparisons on armor and guns to be made but what about....

Cost per unit?
Electronics?  (Targeting systems in particular.)
Countermeasures?  (Chaff?  Smoke?)
Ease of maintenance.  Your tank breaks.  How quickly and cheaply can you fix it?
Durability outside of combat (how easy does it break down just driving around?)
Weight / transportability.
Offroad capability.
Ability to operate in a hostile environment for how long (biological/chemical/radiation).
Fuel efficiency.


That is, the tank with the best armor and best gun in the world isn't worth a lot if it costs 100x more than the second best tank and breaks down 3x as often.
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Re: Modern tanks, WHAT DO YOU THINK?
« Reply #13 on: July 09, 2012, 11:14:33 am »
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T34, cheap, mass produced, russian. (Better than the IS2)

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Re: Modern tanks, WHAT DO YOU THINK?
« Reply #14 on: July 09, 2012, 11:19:37 am »
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germany had best tanks of ww2 period
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