Why is 2h faster than Polearms regardless of the speedrating?

[Zisa]

How do you not get the last paragraph? It is pretty much a summary of what this thread is about.

Your last sentence totally confuses me.

[Thucydides]

Your last sentence totally confuses me.

replace post with thread, i'll make the edit.

thanks for the grammar check

[Zisa]

Anyhow, we shall have to agree to disagree, there are certain polearms that seem very fast to me, and some 2handers that seem snail like, regardless [ ] of the displayed or advertised weapon speeds. My favourite polearm has a gimp range it seems, as it can pass through opponents without effect at times, though this is kind of common in polearms.

[Memento_Mori]

btw I just fought Givi_the_swords_man he was using a 2x long sword in 2 hands.  I was using a 3x long hafted blade.  He has 140 WPF in 2h & 15 Agi.  I have 139 WPF in pole & 12 agi.  Givi trys to overhead me.   I chamber it and before my weapon can even come down on his head he blocked it.  That sir is fucking bs to me.

omgz blocked your chamber xD its no special ability to be able to block chambers I mean if you've been chambered the attack is most likely coming in the same direction you just swung unless they're trying something tricky.

I like this thread.

[Hannibal]

Mori is right about blocking chambers. Thucy, I remember your post about improving from good to very skilled. Next time I see you let's head to duel and I'll help you work out some general and pole specific fighting techniques.

[Kophka]

Not coming in here to whine, just pointing out the forgotten fact that 2handers really do get an animation increase to speed, (you'll have to check the Warband Bug Tracker, I cba at the moment), and polearms really do get a decrease in length (again it's in the bug tracker somewhere). Both things have been noted, and responded too as "working as intended" or "would break the game to fix".

[MouthnHoof]

The main difference I find between the animation of 2H and poles is the smoothness:
2H animation is much more smooth - the motion is constant and about the same movement rate throughout.
Pole (swing) animation is jumpy - it seems like there is a longer delay between the chamber and release and then faster movement to compensate for that.

The result is about the same total time for continuous swinging, but the polearms animation is more surprising to the defender. When already in the chambered position, the polearm release looks more sudden - the defendeer does not know if the delay is intentional or not. As the polarm user, I find this delay annoying since it always messes up my timing. 2H animation are just more "pleasant" for me and this is the main reason I switched.

The thrust is the opposite - the polearms have a smooth, continuous  thrust while the lolstab is very sudden (and with no delay).

[Konrax]

The 2h stab is so fast is made the "lightning fast" 1h stab almost obsolete against 2h users.

Maybe all 2h swords should get a 5 speed reduction to bring them back in line? If it has an inherent bonus that would make weapons like the Katana and Longsword WAY faster then anything in the 1h line.

[Keshian]

Not coming in here to whine, just pointing out the forgotten fact that 2handers really do get an animation increase to speed, (you'll have to check the Warband Bug Tracker, I cba at the moment), and polearms really do get a decrease in length (again it's in the bug tracker somewhere). Both things have been noted, and responded too as "working as intended" or "would break the game to fix".

Polearms like the bardiches, glaive, hafted baldes actually ahve some extra invisible range because of the curved part of the blade so they actually extend farther than the given range.

[Camaris]

Tbh Stab is in my opinion a very weak attack if you dont use it right.
Everytime a 2H-User or Polearmuser is coming to me i beg for a stab as his first attack and most of them will do it that way.

Stabs are so easy to chamber that +50% of enemy stabs result in a chamber and oneshot of my enemy because i make and overhead
and crush his head. In addition actually im using a morningstar most of the time which even has no stab itself and i really dont miss it very much.

The fastest weapons ingame which have a useful range to spam are 100% polearms. Tbh my masterwork heavybastard is a spammachine too but
it has a very limited range in comparsion to those.

[WaltF4]

Polearms like the bardiches, glaive, hafted baldes actually ahve some extra invisible range because of the curved part of the blade so they actually extend farther than the given range.

The mesh does not determine what a weapon will hit. You can set some of the Native weapon to 1000+ length if you would like to test this yourself.

[Zisa]

The mesh does not determine what a weapon will hit. You can set some of the Native weapon to 1000+ length if you would like to test this yourself.

So would setting the coliders to better match the meshes be a good thing?

[Kophka]

Polearms like the bardiches, glaive, hafted baldes actually ahve some extra invisible range because of the curved part of the blade so they actually extend farther than the given range.

Actually, I don't think that is quite true. Crappy paint illustration :

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I don't see how it makes the attack any longer. It may make it hit before you eyes say it does, but I don't see any added length.

[Immolarian]

2h swords always have an advantage over polearms because of the stab animation. /thread

[El_Infante]

The "phantom reach" of curved weapons, is due to how hitboxes work.

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