Why is 2h faster than Polearms regardless of the speedrating?

[Thucydides]

I've done test using my Masterworked GLA, a Danish GS, a Heavy Great sword, and a LHSM. I found that even though my GLA has one speed point higher than a Danish, and the fact that i have 138 wpf in polearm and 0 in 2h, i find that i can only complete 56 swings per minute compared to a danish's 52. This is not a significant difference considering the wpf i have in both weapons. Also, the heavy great sword completed 54 swings per minute (roughly, more like 53 but i did it in 30 second intervals) while my LHSM did 58. This is a disturbing fact that i've recently noticed while playing with my GLA: even though my speed rating should allow me to be competitive vs other 2Hs, i routinely find myself being unable to retaliate after an initial block even though the opponent was not in an advantageous situation where he could hit before me.

For example, I was playing in the Seige server and i fought Spookisland. He probably had a 18/21 or a 21/18 build and i noticed how FAST he was able to swing his masterwork danish, so fast that he could hit me twice without me able to retaliate. So i picked up his danish to try it out, and to my horror i was actually faster using that danish than my GLA, even with 0 wpf in it.

So 2h have the reach advantage, the speed advantage, and the lolstab. How are polearms suppose to compete against this? Do we have to be that much better to even compete?

as a note, next gen i will be heirlooming a German Greatsword and going a 2H build, i missed my GLA for a long time because it was easy to get kills, but now, i just don't know anymore.

[Noble Crassius]

It's long been known 2hands have a better animations giving them a subtle speed bonus. Your polearm has better length use it!

imo 2h better for duels and 1 on 1 situations polearms=more battlefield variety of uses. Hope this helps!

[Thucydides]

It's long been known 2hands have a better animations giving them a subtle speed bonus. Your polearm has better length use it!

imo 2h better for duels and 1 on 1 situations polearms=more battlefield variety of uses. Hope this helps!

nope, my GLA is actually shorter than most 2H, especially with lolstab. Only long, unbalanced, or limited weapons have a reach that is longer than a lolstab like the pike, swiss halberd, or long volgue

[Dravic]

What all of you miss, is:

you test by fighting with air. Test your weapons by fighting with opponent, by swing - block, swing - block.

You will see, how fast your weapon is. Oh, and you will NEVER get 100% accurate info about speed of your weapon, because there is something like stun in this game ;)

[[ptx]]

Maybe you just fail at timing your attacks to maximise your attack speed?

[kongxinga]

There is a hidden 5 speed bonus on 2 handers due to animations. There is also a hidden 22 length nerf on polearms due to the grip. Polearms however can rear up horses. There were a few threads on the taleworlds board that detailed these findings, as well as the relative lengths of each attack. the information was accurate before the big item degradation patch.

For example, 2 hand 'lolstabs" were discovered to be very long, leading some to call the sword of tears the sword of spears, since it was pretty much the best anti cav for all horses but the most armoured. It was so long it was longer than the length bonus from one handed polearm stabs if I recall correctly. I believe only the pike wielded 2 handed and the bamboo spear wielded with shield had a longer but much weaker thrust.

[Christo]

Aye, that lolstab had a +80 range on thrust attacks.

Current lolstab is shorter, but faster. In a trained lolstabber's hand, it's deadly.

[Thucydides]

What all of you miss, is:

you test by fighting with air. Test your weapons by fighting with opponent, by swing - block, swing - block.

You will see, how fast your weapon is. Oh, and you will NEVER get 100% accurate info about speed of your weapon, because there is something like stun in this game ;)

except thats exactly how i began to suspect that 2h has a significant speed advantage. My fight with spookisland routinely breaks the attack-block paradigm because hes so much faster than me

[chief]

Anyone else find the fact that wpf makes such little difference in speed scary?

[Christo]

Anyone else find the fact that wpf makes such little difference in speed scary?

Scary? No.
Weird? Yes.

Problem is, that the patch Killed specialists. the +5 points in your Melee WPF is about 50 in a ranged type of weapon, or other.
Pure classes like me got nerfed like hell, while the SS/Huscarl/Throwing guys got buff because of this, plus the OP-ness of throwing and the Huscarl/SS combo, but that's another story.

WPF Should mean something, to make specialization viable.

[Baldr]

I find it strange that I can out spam people on Nanna archer with a 2h (0 WPF) it takes 2-3 hits to kill someone with my longsword and 5-6 arrows (not headshots) to do the same job and I am a archer a agi archer with low PD but still... its strange

[Death_Dealer]

Scary? No.
Weird? Yes.

Problem is, that the patch Killed specialists. the +5 points in your Melee WPF is about 50 in a ranged type of weapon, or other.
Pure classes like me got nerfed like hell, while the SS/Huscarl/Throwing guys got buff because of this, plus the OP-ness of throwing and the Huscarl/SS combo, but that's another story.

WPF Should mean something, to make specialization viable.

you are totally right. i was putting all my points in polearm when i start but all wasted. now im thinkin about using pole/xbow/throw lol.

[Keshian]

No hafted blades and glaives and knobbed maces and elegeant poleaxes are pure spamming material faster than almost all swords.  Youa re just using wrong polearms.  They are faster longer, polearm stun, hit harder, pretty much every advantage except whiff in close wquarters against walls.

[woody]

What utter crap.

Try the long hafted spamming stick - I love it.

The great maul is slower than any pole I've used.

Great bardiche is slow - but it should be.

[justme]

maybe because of weight of polearsm regardin 2h?