shield bash/ shield strike instead of kick

[SchokoSchaf]

Since it's in realism and we all know what that means, I'd like to revive this topic for a moment.

My overall question is - is it even possible to implement a sort of shield bash as an replacement for kicking?

I remember a disscussion about this from a long time ago and somebody said something like "you can't block and kick with a shield because you need to lift your shield to kick". Yeah right. Whatever the outcome of a balancing discussion or justification of what sorts ever for this is, I'd like to know if this was possible at all - some sort of no-damage-dealing attack with a blocking/raised shield instead of kicking.

Edit: taleworldsform has an google entry for it, but is currently down, even so I put more trust in our def team than in the original one.

[IR_Kuoin]

Then we get a new animation glitch source, why not?

[Phew]

Right now, 2h has every advantage over 1h/shield in facehug range, which is silly.

2h can block while kicking, shield can't
2h right swing is perfect for hiltslash, while 1h right swing is a molasses-slow glancefest

Shield bash should be a slightly better version of kick, since shielders should have the advantage close up. It should also have a cooldown or something so you can't spam it.

[Wiltzu]

I'm sceptical about this.

[FRANK_THE_TANK]

There is a shield bash in the Floris mod but IMO it shouldn't be the shielder swinging the shield. I think they should get there shoulder behind it and then launch themselves forward a couple of steps and anything they hit gets knocked back, maybe if they ram some one from behind they get knocked down.

[Strider]

sheild holders should have their kick button "E" replaced with sheild bash while non sheild holders can still kick normally with "E".

[San]

Right now, 2h has every advantage over 1h/shield in facehug range, which is silly.

2h can block while kicking, shield can't
2h right swing is perfect for hiltslash, while 1h right swing is a molasses-slow glancefest

Shield bash should be a slightly better version of kick, since shielders should have the advantage close up. It should also have a cooldown or something so you can't spam it.

That's more 1h right swing just being bad, especially up close.

Almost anything can be better than shield kick, so I am open to any change, even if the shield bash ends up being a poor option. I killed a shielder who tried to kick me by jump slashing him. The swing went through the shield but that didn't matter -_-

[Vkvkvk]

Right now, 2h has every advantage over 1h/shield in facehug range, which is silly.

2h can block while kicking, shield can't
2h right swing is perfect for hiltslash, while 1h right swing is a molasses-slow glancefest

Shield bash should be a slightly better version of kick, since shielders should have the advantage close up. It should also have a cooldown or something so you can't spam it.

You forgot the point where you practically have autoblock of projectiles and melee hits from all sides and angles except to your direct sides and back.

[BashirKhan]

How about we not start a "Your class is so much easier" arguement 

[Ptolemy]

Right now, 2h has every advantage over 1h/shield in facehug range, which is silly.

2h can block while kicking, shield can't
2h right swing is perfect for hiltslash, while 1h right swing is a molasses-slow glancefest

Shield bash should be a slightly better version of kick, since shielders should have the advantage close up. It should also have a cooldown or something so you can't spam it.

Except that a shielder can block much, much sooner after a knockdown while a 2h has to wait until they're on their feet. I'd say this is a fairly major advantage, especially for 1h shielder cavalry being dehorsed.

[Herr_Thomas]

Right now, 2h has every advantage over 1h/shield in facehug range, which is silly.

2h can block while kicking, shield can't
2h right swing is perfect for hiltslash, while 1h right swing is a molasses-slow glancefest

Shield bash should be a slightly better version of kick, since shielders should have the advantage close up. It should also have a cooldown or something so you can't spam it.

This, for fucks sake.

[Bulzur]

Correct me if i'm wrong, but a shielder holding his shield can't be hitlslashed.

Also, if shielders use some 1h swords, then they should just do thrust. I like to remind that you can't block down when kicking. Don't see why 2h vs 2h use thrust attacks so much when shielders often only use overhead and left swing. Is it an habit they had after playing with a steel pick?

Also... 2h should pown a shielder, providing they have the same skill. Since the 2h usually looks like a pincushion at some point.

[SchokoSchaf]

Correct me if i'm wrong, but a shielder holding his shield can't be hitlslashed.

Also, if shielders use some 1h swords, then they should just do thrust. I like to remind that you can't block down when kicking. Don't see why 2h vs 2h use thrust attacks so much when shielders often only use overhead and left swing. Is it an habit they had after playing with a steel pick?

Also... 2h should pown a shielder, providing they have the same skill. Since the 2h usually looks like a pincushion at some point.

I don't think hitslashing is affected by shields, but I honestly can't say for sure.

You can perfectly block down if you do it before you start the kick and then switch to whatever other direction you need.

I won't get in any argument about who can do what and would still like an answer to the question - is it even possible to implement new mechanics properly?

[Michael]

You forgot the point where you practically have autoblock of projectiles and melee hits from all sides and angles except to your direct sides and back.

You forgot the point that with 13 shield skill you will do very little damage, and a courser will bump-kill you in two hits.

[Michael]

Also... 2h should pown a shielder, providing they have the same skill.

Why?

2handers can defend themselves very easily against cavalry - 1handers cant.

2handers have a slightly advantage against polearmspammers, 1handers get their shield destroyed before they are even in range for their weapon, then get stunned, and then its all over baby.

Rangers can either run, or jump-shot with their crossbow, or run and swing with their 11 athletics, ah yes, and kick-slash.

Who the fuck is a shielder supposed to fight in crpg? Other shielders? Or new players with low-level chars, crap computers and horrible internet connections?