Why was polestagger removed?

[bilwit]

Anyone who actually relied on polestagger as a legitimate tactic needs to re-evaluate their situation. Anyone who's crpg lives were actively ruined because of polestagger has bigger problems.  There is a bigger picture that most of you are missing.

    One person(SaulCanner) hit it spot on when he said:

Someone's inability to advance their own skill leads them to demand for "nerfs" (or mechanic changes) on forums. The admins give into these demands altering the mechanics and thus directly decreases combat possibilities in game. - This right here is what is destroying the depth and enjoyment of crpg.

Dumb and pointless mechanics also lead to the demand for "nerfs" on forums. The removal of polestagger just means you can't get random cheapshots for no reason anymore (on EU). If you're talking about lolspinning being nerfed (on EU), I find it pretty funny since you're one of the biggest spinning-top players on NA.

[cmp]

The admins give into these demands

Buff ranged: melee and cav say devs gave in to ranged whiners' demands
Nerf ranged: ranged say devs gave in to melee and cav whiners' demands
Buff melee: cav and ranged say devs gave in to melee whiners' demands
Nerf melee: melee say devs gave in to ranged and cav whiners' demands
Buff cav: melee and ranged say devs gave in to cav whiners' demands
Nerf cav: cav say devs gave in to melee and ranged whiners' demands

There are two possibilities: either not changing anything is the perfect development strategy or whoever complains that devs give in to players' demands in a free mod is a whiner himself.

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Hint: it's not #1.

[TheAppleSauceMan]

Yep

edit: wtf i just asked a question

Because it was unfair to 2hers. They have to have every advantage possible when it comes to melee. And polestagger actually made polearms viable against 2h, and that's a ridiculous notion. 2h is obviously the only melee class that should be worth playing ever. 
But in all seriousness, I don't mind them removing it, as long as they nerf 2h. It's only fair, because atm 2h has a huge advantage.

[Zisa]

Because it was unfair to 2hers. They have to have every advantage possible when it comes to melee. And polestagger actually made polearms viable against 2h, and that's a ridiculous notion. 2h is obviously the only melee class that should be worth playing ever. 
But in all seriousness, I don't mind them removing it, as long as they nerf 2h. It's only fair, because atm 2h has a huge advantage.

Hyperbole.
Lying, permabanned.

[Rhaelys]

All it means is that the scrubs who relied on polestagger to actually do well with polearms will migrate to 2H, leaving the actual *good* polearm users to dominate.

[BashirKhan]

There are two possibilities: either not changing anything is the perfect development strategy or whoever complains that devs give in to players' demands in a free mod is just a pathetic whiner.
Hint: it's not #1.

I would agree if there was a policy that stated  60%-70% of the community had to agree before any changes could be made, sadly this is not the case

[cmp]

I would agree if there was a policy that stated  60%-70% of the community had to agree before any changes could be made, sadly this is not the case

If 60%-70% of the community had to agree before any changes could be made this mod would have died of stagnation two years ago.

[BashirKhan]

What may i ask is the policy about adding changes then?

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Features: what the devs like
Items: what the devs and item balancers like

[BashirKhan]

Well it's your mod, and i forget this is not a democracy sometimes 

[bruce]

In a real swordfight, "good footwork" is keeping your opponent in front of you. In cRPG, it's keeping your opponent off to your side so you can hiltslash them. Fights look like two hicks squaredancing now.

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[Teeth]

Hiltslash is a way more annoying mechanic than polestagger, and IMHO more annoying than even "lolstab". Polestagger occasionally allowed a free hit after you had already gotten hit, hiltslash can be abused any time. 2h Weapons can hit for full damage in the first 1% of the swing animation, while they are still behind the wielder's shoulder. This is unrealistic and just looks silly.

You left out the part where polearms can hiltslash just as easily as 2h. Oh and I can't even remember the last time I really got hiltslashed. Whatever the devs did, I think it either fixed or no one remembers how to do it. Not even on duel, let alone battle. Hiltslashing is not at all a problem anymore.

Oh and there is a difference between hiltslashing and doing a left and then a right swing.

[Rhaelys]

You left out the part where polearms can hiltslash just as easily as 2h. Oh and I can't even remember the last time I really got hiltslashed. Whatever the devs did, I think it either fixed or no one remembers how to do it. Not even on duel, let alone battle. Hiltslashing is not at all a problem anymore.

Oh and there is a difference between hiltslashing and doing a left and then a right swing.

I sometimes hiltslash people with my Great Long Bardiche (lol), but it's not intentional: just a product of footwork and the natural flow of a melee fight, much like chambering for me. It's not really an issue.

[Baggy]

You left out the part where polearms can hiltslash just as easily as 2h. Oh and I can't even remember the last time I really got hiltslashed. Whatever the devs did, I think it either fixed or no one remembers how to do it. Not even on duel, let alone battle. Hiltslashing is not at all a problem anymore.

Oh and there is a difference between hiltslashing and doing a left and then a right swing.

Got hitslahed(I think) by Cicero a few days ago repeatedly.

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Got hitslahed(I think) by Cicero a few days ago repeatedly.

For people to do a hiltslash, or something similiar to that. U gotta actually help them with ur footwork, in nearly all cases.