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Equip whatever you want. Have 11 athletics. Have 90 body armor. You will die, alone. Bump bump bump bump. And right after you die, someone else will spawn. Your team loses player after player, and it will happen every round.

The "solution" is SPAWN INSTANTLY AND RUN, but what if you were on the phone while you were dead? Got up to get a drink, browsing a web page, etc. You might as well sit the round out, because you won't leave spawn alive.

This doesn't happen on every single map, but on maps where it "works" the same cavalry will do it every round. I can't think of anything to protect late spawners that would be fair to everyone else.

I'm not making a rage-post because I just got owned by a horse haver. Since I started playing again a couple months ago, I see this happen every time I play long enough for a couple maps to cycle on the server. Inevitable instant death. It is more frustrating than playing against a team massively stacked with clan-mates.

Is there anything that could be done to fix this? Spawn protection or delaying movement till XX% of the team spawns would raise more problems than they solve. Making maps larger would slow down rounds and make it less fun for everyone (except people trying to delay and milk their multiplier).

Whenever it starts happening I lose interest in playing. Whelp, there goes 5-10% of my team.
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Re: Oops, you spawned 3 seconds late. Enjoy dieing to 10 horsemen.
« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2012, 06:48:20 pm »
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we should make cav spawn 30 sec after footmen
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Re: Oops, you spawned 3 seconds late. Enjoy dieing to 10 horsemen.
« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2012, 07:01:43 pm »
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Why not have 10s invulnerability after you spawn - that will teach cav.

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Re: Oops, you spawned 3 seconds late. Enjoy dieing to 10 horsemen.
« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2012, 07:02:12 pm »
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we should make cav spawn 30 sec after footmen

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Re: Oops, you spawned 3 seconds late. Enjoy dieing to 10 horsemen.
« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2012, 07:05:00 pm »
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It is irritating, especially because the ping is going nuts while everyone joins, cav get missed alot while they couch a stationary target.

Douchebags.

You could in theory, hold 'everyone' still until 6:30, but I do not think these ritalin deprived junkies could wait that long.
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Re: Oops, you spawned 3 seconds late. Enjoy dieing to 10 horsemen.
« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2012, 07:20:41 pm »
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people who -1 op are cav that can frag only by spawnraping :3

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Re: Oops, you spawned 3 seconds late. Enjoy dieing to 10 horsemen.
« Reply #6 on: June 17, 2012, 07:41:20 pm »
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+1 for Rebelyell, alis Templar_Bobby suggestion. Allow cav to spawn later (29sec later so they still get the 06:30 tick) and there will be way less spawn rape. Wich is a good thing, imo.
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Re: Oops, you spawned 3 seconds late. Enjoy dieing to 10 horsemen.
« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2012, 08:40:29 pm »
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people who -1 op are cav that can frag only by spawnraping :3

people who +1 are the mindless inf that press W the second they spawn, just to run in front of them not minding where the enemy cav or inf is at all...

like on that town map where both teams run in circles because the inf just runs in front of them when they spawn, and the rest follows

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Re: Oops, you spawned 3 seconds late. Enjoy dieing to 10 horsemen.
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Re: Oops, you spawned 3 seconds late. Enjoy dieing to 10 horsemen.
« Reply #9 on: June 17, 2012, 09:44:48 pm »
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Buy a bamboo spear. They're cheap, longer than a heavy lance, and only use 2 slots. Use it to fend off cavalry while you run to safety.

The early surprise attack is very risky for cavalry. If they get stopped or dehorsed, they're alone, surrounded by enemies, and on the other side of the map from their team.

It's kind of a cheap tactic, but I don't really see it as a serious problem.
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Re: Oops, you spawned 3 seconds late. Enjoy dieing to 10 horsemen.
« Reply #10 on: June 17, 2012, 11:50:55 pm »
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I agree but honestly maps where people can shoot at the other spawn are no better.

Also, what this guy said :

Buy a bamboo spear. They're cheap, longer than a heavy lance, and only use 2 slots. Use it to fend off cavalry while you run to safety.

The early surprise attack is very risky for cavalry. If they get stopped or dehorsed, they're alone, surrounded by enemies, and on the other side of the map from their team.

It's kind of a cheap tactic, but I don't really see it as a serious problem.

Even if I wasn't "ethically concerned" about killing afk people, I wouldn't spawnrape because I probably have more useful and less risky things to do.

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Re: Oops, you spawned 3 seconds late. Enjoy dieing to 10 horsemen.
« Reply #11 on: June 17, 2012, 11:52:26 pm »
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like on that town map where both teams run in circles because the inf just runs in front of them when they spawn, and the rest follows

The bad thing is that you have to follow that damned group, otherwise you'll end up being ganked.

It's ridiculous, I wonder when people are gonna realize, that they are running in circles at the start.
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Re: Oops, you spawned 3 seconds late. Enjoy dieing to 10 horsemen.
« Reply #12 on: June 18, 2012, 12:01:06 am »
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The bad thing is that you have to follow that damned group, otherwise you'll end up being ganked.

It's ridiculous, I wonder when people are gonna realize, that they are running in circles at the start.

A "defend behind the bottleneck" strategy sometimes work in this map, the other team being so concentrated in turning around they don't notice throwing themselves into a meatgrinder.

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Re: Oops, you spawned 3 seconds late. Enjoy dieing to 10 horsemen.
« Reply #13 on: June 18, 2012, 12:02:25 am »
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It's not "I can't kill a guy on a horse" so much as "5-10 horsemen circle spawn like hawks, converging on people as they spawn. +3 crossbow and bolts are enough to kill many horses in 1 headshot when they are charging at you. you could rear a horse with a spear as well. It won't stop the other multiple cavalry from charging you behind, left and right of the one horse you DO stop. And after you die someone else spawns alone to repeat the whole thing.

In the middle of a round, if you get flanked by multiple cav and you are alone it is probably your fault. You made a bad decision and ended up exposed and outnumbered. If you spawn and die before you can even move or ready a weapon, you aren't being punished for poor strategy. That's what makes it so frustrating.

The best suggestion I could come up with is a barrier that keeps enemy players out of spawns for a certain amount of time - but that is just asking for ranged attackers to exploit it, or people standing right on the edge for easy kills.
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Re: Oops, you spawned 3 seconds late. Enjoy dieing to 10 horsemen.
« Reply #14 on: June 18, 2012, 12:14:00 am »
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It's also bad map design, maps where spawns are 50 metres one from another and the zerg runs in the opposite directions (eg. bay and the small quadratic map) are like this.


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