katana: extreme "based-on-reality balance" fail

[Ronin]

Realism tends to balance itself. Anyone who claims that game balance and realism are mutually exclusive is an idiot.

Good point of view, but sadly not true. There are so many factors that affect the battle in reality. Such as but not limited to: Strategy (marching armies, logistics, map related plans, mass fear factor), tactics (organisation and cooperation in battle), money (wages, repairs - this one is very important), morale (fear, bravery), stamina, conditions (weather), equipment (weapons, armor, horses), height adventage, fighter skills, luck, generals (influentive-wise and tactical-wise), artillery... I mean so much. We only have a very few of them in Mount and Blade, but even so there no one can claim there was a balance amongst kingdoms in history. Every invention and development the armies made, is done for getting the upper hand so it happened.

In short: Make katana stab 19p, the current one has it's uses but it's ridiculous.

[Thomek]

Not this "exotic weapon" nonsense again, it's a crap argument, to coverup a bias towards certain gear.
Lets stop kidding ourselves on. C-rpg is a blatantly multicultural mod, a far cry from a pure European era mod.
There's plenty of gear from other cultures, not of European origin, and they don't receive these penalties, So why should Japanese gear be any different?
How about just treating it like any other equipment in the mod,Instead of this prejudice towards Far-eastern equipment. Would be nice to have some equality in C-rpg

I feel your cry, but such is the consensus among the devs/balancers that the katana is where it should be. In their formulas it pays a weaboo tax for it's price and performance. Believe me, I've personally been through all katana nerfs and buffs, and I've been the no1 defender of it through 2 years.

It's not a top tier weapon in overall performance, and that's a fact we simply must accept. It often punishes players for making mistakes (stabbing) and cost more than likewise performing weapons. Devs also don't want it to become too popular because it looks bad/unhistorical with most armors..

ALL arguments have been said, and EVERY stone has been turned regarding the katana. Believe me

I will write a suggestion soon though, about adding 1h mode without shield for it and some other shorter swords. Would be a nice little trick used to confuse opponents. Also historically it was a weapon which was totally wieldable in 1h.  Also, the thrust would look awesome..

[Ninja_Khorin]

I will write a suggestion soon though, about adding 1h mode without shield for it and some other shorter swords. Would be a nice little trick used to confuse opponents. Also historically it was a weapon which was totally wieldable in 1h.  Also, the thrust would look awesome..

Wieldable, but never really wielded in one hand because you never had a reason to wield it in one hand. Except on horse.

[Thomek]

Wieldable, but never really wielded in one hand because you never had a reason to wield it in one hand. Except on horse.

Maybe for that extra 10cm range? Or as a surprise.

I wouldn't think there were strict rules about this..

[zagibu]

Or for DUAL WIELD.

[Banok]

ok I was pissed about katana being 16 pierce... then I find out the +3 katana is 17!! pierce. when every other weapon gets +3 thrust damage. What a fucking joke, sold mine as soon as I could.

[Matey]

easy solution.

taking into account the different methods for making katanas and different metal usage in different parts of the blade... we clearly need to have the current katana as the "cheapo katana" and remains the same, but then we could add in a few more katanas of drastically increased price that offer better stats because they are made by legendary sword smiths like chadzamasa. then the weeabos can have katanas with some different specialities, one could be a decent thruster at the cost of some cut, or one could cost like 10x more than any other wep in the game but have the current cut (or maybe 1 higher) and also a decent thrust and maybe +1 speed (but people would go broke using it)

oh oh! we should also add some wooden katanas, or just blunted ones for blunt damage.

[Gurnisson]

when every other weapon gets +3 thrust damage.

Mostly +2 pierce. You get +3 on the damage which is highest, +2 on the lowest. In other words +3 pierce and +2 cut for espada, +3 pierce and +3 cut for LEE and +3 cut +2 pierce for bastard sword. The katana loses out on 1 thrust damage for some reason, but not 2.

[zagibu]

There is a common misconception about the legendary figure of Thor. His hammer was not a weapon, it was only used to forge his katana. It was also the katana that always came back when thrown.

[Ujio]

ok I was pissed about katana being 16 pierce... then I find out the +3 katana is 17!! pierce. when every other weapon gets +3 thrust damage. What a fucking joke, sold mine as soon as I could.

Yeah, exactly! This clarifies the bias in a nutshell

[Ptolemy]

Everyone who actually looks at the katana's stats knows that it's not balanced, especially when it comes to it's MW bonuses. Anyone who doesn't see this is either a complete idiot or a "weaboo" calling racist.

We're just going to have to accept that the katana is the Jew of cRPG and that will never change.

[Zerran]

Realism tends to balance itself. Anyone who claims that game balance and realism are mutually exclusive is an idiot.

This is true to an extent, particularly if the entire mod were based around realism. However, the fact that we have weapons and arms spanning hundreds of years and from across the globe totally throws this out the window.

[Paul]

We are thinking about completely replacing Japanese crap with Chinese stuff so we are not really biased against Far East in general.

[Muki]

We are thinking about completely replacing Japanese crap with Chinese stuff so we are not really biased against Far East in general.

O.o that could work

[Uumdi]

Speaking of nerfed thrusts, game balance, and realism, no more spin-stabs god get owned pikes