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Do 2 Handers deserve a nerf of some kind?

Of course, and a significant one.
10 (23.3%)
Maybe if its a mild nerf.
4 (9.3%)
Other weapons should get a buff to compensate, instead of a 2H nerf.
6 (14%)
No, the ratio of power between the melee classes are fine.
19 (44.2%)
Trolls don't vote on such pesky human matters.
2 (4.7%)
Speed up the game speed in order to compensate.
2 (4.7%)

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Voting closed: May 21, 2012, 10:47:30 am

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Re: 2 Handers
« Reply #45 on: May 14, 2012, 04:25:47 am »
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Well.... with 1h you got that handy little shield to hide behind, and with polearms you have the polestagger and a much wider variety of weapons to choose from, as well as being nearly as good as a 2h in melee. And honestly, i see an even amount of polearms/shielders/2hs in a server.

On a side note, the devs shouldnt nerf anything in the current cRPG, its just gonna continue to dumb down the combat and make it more robotic.
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Re: 2 Handers
« Reply #46 on: May 14, 2012, 04:34:19 am »
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Haha. I was thinking the exact opposite increasing damage for right swing on 1H.

My advice would be to leave the game how it is ATM. Alternatively increase every weapons speed by 1.
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Re: 2 Handers
« Reply #47 on: May 14, 2012, 10:38:15 am »
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She suggested such ongoing whine from the stupid no longer merits even a polite response, even to someone so age challenged (mentally) as to bring mom's into it.

As everyone else is having a mature arguement about an ovbious problem, you choose to make such a childish response, it still amazes me.

It's the only response possible to a person who brings perfanity into a thread. Maturity goes a long way kid, try it.
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Re: 2 Handers
« Reply #48 on: May 14, 2012, 10:43:31 am »
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Well.... with 1h you got that handy little shield to hide behind, and with polearms you have the polestagger and a much wider variety of weapons to choose from, as well as being nearly as good as a 2h in melee. And honestly, i see an even amount of polearms/shielders/2hs in a server.

On a side note, the devs shouldnt nerf anything in the current cRPG, its just gonna continue to dumb down the combat and make it more robotic.

Then the only other option I would like to see it a buff to everything else, but I believe that will create more chaos then nerfing 2h.

Im still open to suggestions and they still are suggestions whether I like them or not. So as a remonder ( like the post above ) let's try to keep things mature like most of us have.



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Re: 2 Handers
« Reply #49 on: May 14, 2012, 11:35:56 am »
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Imo, the balance between melee weapons is just fine right now.

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Re: 2 Handers
« Reply #50 on: May 14, 2012, 01:03:17 pm »
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I would like to see unfucked speed bonus mechanic so hilt hits aren't as effective for 2h and polearms. If it's impossible, i would either speed up 1h  stab chambering and right swing or decrease speed of 2h and polearm stab.

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Re: 2 Handers
« Reply #51 on: May 14, 2012, 02:06:26 pm »
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stop discussion. 2h animations gonna get removed, end of story.

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Re: 2 Handers
« Reply #52 on: May 14, 2012, 03:33:44 pm »
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As everyone else is having a mature arguement about an ovbious problem, you choose to make such a childish response, it still amazes me.

It's the only response possible to a person who brings perfanity into a thread. Maturity goes a long way kid, try it.
STFU dumbass. Double dumbass.
This whine has been going on forever. And it's unjustified, but if you keep repeating it....
Here's a clue you scrub, the people on top of the leader board are going to be there if they are using 2h, polearm or 1hander. Sometimes even if they are using cav or archery.

Also, make the game faster, or at least infantry.
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Re: 2 Handers
« Reply #53 on: May 14, 2012, 04:49:34 pm »
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STFU dumbass. Double dumbass.
This whine has been going on forever. And it's unjustified, but if you keep repeating it....
Here's a clue you scrub, the people on top of the leader board are going to be there if they are using 2h, polearm or 1hander. Sometimes even if they are using cav or archery.

Also, make the game faster, or at least infantry.

Incase you didn't see, or can't read and comprihend what you see, this isn't a whine/rage thread. I merely started with an OPINION and let things ho on from there. This is where the maturity of most people come in, they say their ideas and I say mine. Then I take up all the mature ideas ive seen and add them to a poll. So incase you didn't notice, this discussion about the people who use 2handers, its about the reason they use them. Bring your childish behavior to another thread, this one already stinks of your useless shit.

The next comments you do will be reported as spam and ignored. For me, this aruement stops here.


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Re: 2 Handers
« Reply #54 on: May 14, 2012, 05:00:08 pm »
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Siberian_Wolf I'm glad the maturity just drips from your own posts.

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Re: 2 Handers
« Reply #55 on: May 14, 2012, 05:03:16 pm »
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Siberian_Wolf I'm glad the maturity just drips from your own posts.

I can't tell if this is sarcasm or not.
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Re: 2 Handers
« Reply #56 on: May 14, 2012, 06:21:38 pm »
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* Takes a bucket out* Now let me see this bucket filled with the tears of all who dont support it.

Well this is your problem, really, of why a lot of people (myself included) did not take the thread seriously. You are inviting a certain type of behavior due to posting this which insinuates that anyone who dares disagree with you is a QQer/troll.

The OP often sets the mood for the entire thread, yours certainly did.

Also, for future reference, try avoiding the use of "as we all know" as if that were true then this thread would not be needed even in the first place. Try adding data (such as the released damage percentage numbers), or some sort of proper argument.
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Re: 2 Handers
« Reply #57 on: May 14, 2012, 07:32:17 pm »
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Well this is your problem, really, of why a lot of people (myself included) did not take the thread seriously. You are inviting a certain type of behavior due to posting this which insinuates that anyone who dares disagree with you is a QQer/troll.

The OP often sets the mood for the entire thread, yours certainly did.

Also, for future reference, try avoiding the use of "as we all know" as if that were true then this thread would not be needed even in the first place. Try adding data (such as the released damage percentage numbers), or some sort of proper argument.

People may disagree, I dont label them trolls. Trolls are the people who choose to show their disagreement in a childish way (cursing, stupid pictures, etc ).

For the second paragraph, This is a post where I let the public discuss. I give an abritrary starting point where they can lay their arguement, then I put mine. I highly doubt evidence is needed when you look around at the most popular weapon choice, I'm hoping this thread would make people ask themselves WHY its so popular.

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Re: 2 Handers
« Reply #58 on: May 14, 2012, 09:47:32 pm »
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As we all know, 2 Handers have been the top class to play as. With their animations to high speed and damage they rule crpg.
I suggest a nerf to all 2 Hander weapon damage and speed to balance it out.
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Re: 2 Handers
« Reply #59 on: May 14, 2012, 10:27:46 pm »
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There are only three problems with 2h, and two of them are problems with every melee weapon type:

1. The 2h "sweet spot" is too big: someone can start a right swing, and turn into the swing so it makes contact while the weapon is still behind their right shoulder, and it hits for full damage. Compare that to 1h right swing, which will glance during the first ~40% of the swing animation. Side swings from every weapon should only hit for full damage if the target is within about +/-45 degrees directly in front of them.

2. All thrust attacks are more effective when you thrust in the wrong direction then spin into your opponent. This is stupid and unrealistic. In the real world, if you wanted to poke someone with a weapon, you poked straight at them. Doing this in cRPG usually causes you to glance, so people have taught themselves to spinthrust, which looks ridiculous, but is highly effective. 2H just happen to be most able to take advantage of this ridiculous mechanic, because of the huge reach on the 2h thrust. However, it's equally silly with an awlpike or espada.

3. Currently, you can overhead someone, miss, then drag your weapon along the ground until you make contact for full damage. Good players deliberately abuse this mechanic to kill people after they thought it was safe to drop their block. 2h has the longest-duration (and reach) overhead animation, so they are most able to abuse this mechanic, although polearm and 1h can also use this tactic to a lesser extent.

Fix the three issues above, then tone down pole stun, and a lot of the whining about melee mechanics would go away. Then everyone could go back to whining about archers, to which I say just bring a damn shield like everyone else in the history of warfare did.