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Re: How to not get raped in Medieval 2!
« Reply #90 on: June 01, 2012, 07:13:58 pm »
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Please. Hungary/Spain can die in a fire.

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The real problem is that in the early period, Hungary has nothing useful but the Magyar Cavalry and Hungarian Nobles + General Bodyguards, both being horse archers. This changes later when Banderiums and other stuff comes in though.

The early foot units are just shit.
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Re: How to not get raped in Medieval 2!
« Reply #91 on: June 01, 2012, 07:57:52 pm »
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I never spend time on cav. I just either nerf archers or foot knights. Sure they kick crossbow and archer ass, but full plated dudes who demand craploads of upkeep and get easly pwned by peasants who carry some spear arent really so reliable imo.

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Re: How to not get raped in Medieval 2!
« Reply #92 on: June 01, 2012, 08:02:56 pm »
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Attack infantry from the rear/sides with them, any unit that isn't peasant infantry/skirmishers will negate the charge anyway.

But it's fun to see people flying all over the place when you roll into a group of peasants with knights.

And only use them as a demotivational force, ergo when you're done with the charge, quickly get out and do it again at a weak spot.

Mass routs are great, my fav part is hunting the runners down with fast light/medium cavalry. Love them falling, like little ants.

Also, always have at least a General cav with the armies, or 1-2 light cavs to chase down runners. Thanks to the dumb AI movement when chasing runners, infantry won't really get close, even cav needs constant movement orders to kill something.
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Re: How to not get raped in Medieval 2!
« Reply #93 on: June 01, 2012, 08:04:17 pm »
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:evil:

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The real problem is that in the early period, Hungary has nothing useful but the Magyar Cavalry and Hungarian Nobles + General Bodyguards, both being horse archers. This changes later when Banderiums and other stuff comes in though.

The early foot units are just shit.
but hungary get feodal knights pretty damn fast and start to pwn
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Re: How to not get raped in Medieval 2!
« Reply #94 on: June 01, 2012, 08:05:19 pm »
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but hungary get feodal knights pretty damn fast and start to pwn

Yeah but, ever played as them in SS?

Having the Byzantines in your doorstep is probably one of the worst things I ever had in a TW campaign. Irritating bastards.

At least Venice is easy to push back because they're small, but these guys.. lol
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Re: How to not get raped in Medieval 2!
« Reply #95 on: June 02, 2012, 10:13:00 am »
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Perhaps you can send loads of gold as gift, and form an early alliance with byzantines early on. And rule the balkans together.

I never played with hungary before, but alliance trick works good with every faction I have started; in vanilla. I even formed an alliance with english as scotland, so don't tell me it is impossible.
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Re: How to not get raped in Medieval 2!
« Reply #96 on: June 02, 2012, 10:38:20 am »
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Perhaps you can send loads of gold as gift, and form an early alliance with byzantines early on. And rule the balkans together.

I never played with hungary before, but alliance trick works good with every faction I have started; in vanilla. I even formed an alliance with english as scotland, so don't tell me it is impossible.

I dunno how u pull it off. My alliances were about as sturdy as a fat drunk man on a unicycle.

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Re: How to not get raped in Medieval 2!
« Reply #97 on: June 02, 2012, 11:21:23 am »
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The key is good relations, and acting early I think. But do not trust alliances all the time, at least one of your allies will betray you no matter how stupid what they will do is.

At my first 2-3 games I was the same, but later on I figured out how to exploit it.
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Re: How to not get raped in Medieval 2!
« Reply #98 on: June 02, 2012, 05:43:44 pm »
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Every 5-10 turns pool them some money. I've had Perfect relations with Moors and Seljuks for 80 turns by doing this as Fatimids. Seljuks border almost my entire northern half of my Empire. Moors probably want to retake Sicily, Sardinia/Corsica, Benghazi from me. But I think getting 5-15k every few turns outweighs a few settlements xD

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Re: How to not get raped in Medieval 2!
« Reply #99 on: June 02, 2012, 07:55:21 pm »
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The hint is, spoil your allies :)
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Re: How to not get raped in Medieval 2!
« Reply #100 on: June 02, 2012, 08:19:19 pm »
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The hint is, spoil your allies :)
Il freaking spoil their nice evening by redecorating their cities with the blood of their people! :twisted: They trying to backstab me and shit.... I got the load/save button :mrgreen:

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Re: How to not get raped in Medieval 2!
« Reply #101 on: June 05, 2012, 12:41:37 am »
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Learn to completely obliterate the incompetent AI on the battlemap, then the rest is just window dressing.
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Re: How to not get raped in Medieval 2!
« Reply #102 on: June 22, 2012, 02:11:53 pm »
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I am currently testing The Stainless Steel mod, and I have to say it is indeed more difficult than most other mods, although my biggest problems are getting huge cities/citadels and recruiting good troops. An ordinary unit of armoured spearmen needs 8 turns to be available again and the unit maximum recruitable is 1. I mean: WTF?  :shock:

But it's still tremendous fun. I decided to play as the English, and I entrenched myself on the British Isles. I gave up France by donating the regions to the Papal States, my ally. Any other region I conquered, e.g. during crusades or just on the occasional raid campaign, I donated to the Papal States. Soon after the Papal States became the dominating force in central Europe, and after France and the HRE got excommunicated the Papal States creamed them. France is gone, HRE is a two-region-vassal of the Papal States. Poland and Norway are gone as well.

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Edit: yes, I also supported the Crusader States financially. With success, I dare to say.  :mrgreen:
Joker makes a very good point.
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Re: How to not get raped in Medieval 2!
« Reply #103 on: June 22, 2012, 02:16:48 pm »
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lol Joker, good job at creating a superpower.

How the hell are you gonna beat that?  :mrgreen:

At around Egypt and the Middle East, is that the Crusader States? In my games I play they usually get crushed by the muslims. o.O
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Re: How to not get raped in Medieval 2!
« Reply #104 on: June 22, 2012, 02:25:06 pm »
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lol Joker, good job at creating a superpower.

How the hell are you gonna beat that?  :mrgreen:

Easily - as soon as I am done developing my island, I will at least have about 1 mil cash. I will simply BUY most of the Papal States.  :lol:



At around Egypt, is that the Crusader States? In my games I play they usually get crushed by the muslims. o.O

Yes, usually they do. But as I said, I had a diplomat down there, and gave them regular financial helps. With a lot of money the AI recruits troops like nuts.

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Edit: on my laptopt the AI turns take about 2 minutes  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
Joker makes a very good point.
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