Kindly Buff The Dadao Slightly

[Zlisch_The_Butcher]

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Dadao
weapon length: 115 -2
weight: 3
difficulty: 12 +6 (Nearly everyone has 16 STR though)
speed rating: 92
weapon length: 115 -2
thrust damage: 0 pierce NO THRUST/ -22 pierce
swing damage: 42 cut -1
slots: 2
Can't use on horseback

5,226 only thing it really beats the highlander in...

From my +'s and -'s (considerably more of these) you can see how the highlander claymore beats my beloved Dadao in every way ('cept cash which doesn't really mater much after gen 1, and the difficulty going from so low everyone can use it including katana based agi spammers to medium.).

I personally propose a small stat change for the Dadao to make it in my opinion balanced would be to make the dadao a oneslot weapon (please note I'm heavily biased as I use it on my armored archer alt and would like an extra slot for arrows). This change would make the Dadao a better weapon for hybrids and would not nerf the highlander thus still keeping "somewhat" balance in the greatsword family.

EDIT: IMO giving it 45 cut would also balance it along with a possible boost in price. (this would however require a slight boost in one of the war cleavers stats)

[isatis]

one slot...

the mace wasn't enough I see...

(aka.. just explain me how your 115 lenght 3 weight dadao can be 2 slot while the short longsword/HBS/BS is two...)

maybe a slight slight buff like +1 speed... but that's all.

[Tears of Destiny]

If this was one slot, it might become far too popular as a side arm.

[Rainbow]

This wep has hella high cut damage. good lord.

[TurmoilTom]

This was the 2nd 2h I bought when I first started cRPG and I did fine with it. It's fine as is.

[Rainbow]

Also, The highlander claymore is way more expensive.  It should beat it in every way. I'm not understanding why you would compare a 5k sword to a 12.8k sword and say it's not fair because the more expensive sword is a little better.  I'm confused.

[Zlisch_The_Butcher]

(aka.. just explain me how your 115 lenght 3 weight dadao can be 2 slot while the short longsword/HBS/BS is two...)

IMO most of the low tier twohanders need some buff, however, all those swords you mentioned aren't worse in every other way 'cept difficulty 'n' cost than some other weapon... with the Dadao however this is different.

Also, The highlander claymore is way more expensive.  It should beat it in every way. I'm not understanding why you would compare a 5k sword to a 12.8k sword and say it's not fair because the more expensive sword is a little better.  I'm confused.

It may be way more expensive, but people buy 1+ extra damage and 1+ extra speed for 600k, get my point?
Also, highland is not "a little" better, it got a stab (which is a huge bonus), it's longer, and it even got more cut.

[Rainbow]

Use the highlander claymore and stop having so much sword envy.  You talk that sword up an awful lot anyways so use it.  Enjoy the new upkeep though.  =P.  People always wanting sumthin for nuthin!

[Zlisch_The_Butcher]

Use the highlander claymore and stop having so much sword envy.  You talk that sword up an awful lot anyways so use it.  Enjoy the new upkeep though.  =P.  People always wanting sumthin for nuthin!

Would use it if it didn't look like shit with my armor.

[Ptolemy]

Dadao
weapon length: 115 -7
weight: 3 -0.5
difficulty: 12 -4
speed rating: 92 +1
thrust damage: 0 pierce
swing damage: 42 cut -1
slots: 2
Can't use on horseback

Cost: 5,226 -8,540

Nodaichi

weapon length: 122 +7
weight: 3.5 +5
difficulty: 16 +4
speed rating: 91 -1
thrust damage: 0 pierce
swing damage: 43 cut +1
slots: 2
Can't use on horseback

Cost: 13,766 + 8,540

This sword is less than half the price of the Nodaichi and the difference is negligable. In fact, due to it's much lower STR requirement, I'd go so far as to say that it's better.

No buff, if anything, it should actually be nerfed.

[Zlisch_The_Butcher]

Dadao
weapon length: 115 -7
weight: 3 -0.5
difficulty: 12 -6
speed rating: 92 +1
thrust damage: 0 pierce
swing damage: 42 cut +1
slots: 2
Can't use on horseback

Cost: 5,226 -8,540

Nodaichi

weapon length: 122 +7
weight: 3.5 +5
difficulty: 16 +4
speed rating: 91 -1
thrust damage: 0 pierce
swing damage: 43 cut +1
slots: 2
Can't use on horseback

Cost: 13,766 + 8,540

This sword is less than half the price of the Nodaichi and the difference is negligable. In fact, due to it's much lower STR requirement, I'd go so far as to say that it's better.

No buff.

1+ speed is only real advantage Dadao has ('cuss no one with 100k+ cRPG gold is gonna think twice about using more expensive and better weapon... Nodachi however is longer (7+ length is a lot) and deals 1+ more cut damage (1+ isn't that big, but still)... also, everyone knows Nodachi is not a good twohander weapon, but Dadao IS worse... and is in a bigger need for a buff...
...so go eat a cow or somethin'.

[Ptolemy]

If it gets a buff, it should be much more expensive.

+1 is really no difference at all at the end of the day, be it damage or speed.
7 length is basically nothing, it's not even really noticable on the battlefield, it's what, 0.1 of a second more running before you can hit? If that?
0.5 Weight really makes very little difference, the Nodaichi will stun more often (barely) yes, but it'll also slow down your running acceleration more as well, so it's even there.

That just leaves the cost, which the Dadao is under half of what the Nodaichi is - this doesn't factor into if people will buy it or not, true, but it does factor into repair costs, which is significant. Either make the Nodaichi cheaper, or don't buff the Dadao.

The way I see it, the Dadao is a middle of the line sword for middle of the line use, at which it excells as it's one of those swords which is almost as good as it's far more expensive counter-parts. This doesn't need to change, that's my opinion.

[Zlisch_The_Butcher]

If it gets a buff, it should be much more expensive.

+1 is really no difference at all at the end of the day, be it damage or speed.
7 length is basically nothing, it's not even really noticable on the battlefield, it's what, 0.1 of a second more running before you can hit? If that?
0.5 Weight really makes very little difference, the Nodaichi will stun more often (barely) yes, but it'll also slow down your running acceleration more as well, so it's even there.

That just leaves the cost, which the Dadao is under half of what the Nodaichi is - this doesn't factor into if people will buy it or not, true, but it does factor into repair costs, which is significant. Either make the Nodaichi cheaper, or don't buff the Dadao.

The way I see it, the Dadao is a middle of the line sword for middle of the line use, at which it excells as it's one of those swords which is almost as good as it's far more expensive counter-parts. This doesn't need to change, that's my opinion.

7 length is NOT barely nothing, try outstabbing a danish greatsword with a longsword, once you're capable of blocking, and fighting another capable blocker who doesn't spam insane feints and isn't a pro chamberer around 50% of all hits will be due to outstabbing (if you're both using a danish greatsword).

[Zerran]

Completely disregarding whether a change is actually needed, changing the slot requirements on a weapon is not in any way a slight change. It fundamentally changes how the weapon can be used. Be very wary of slot changes, as they can and almost certainly will have unintended consequences.

[Vibe]

Dadao doesn't need a buff.