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Who uses the Yumi?

I do and I love it!
I use it situationally.
I tried it and it sucked so I haven't used it since.
I looked at the stats and decided not to bother
What's a Yumi?

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Re: Who uses the Yumi?
« Reply #15 on: April 29, 2012, 01:36:20 am »
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I've tried the yumi however I don't really like it. It may be that I'm just so used to the rus bow but I've found myself using a nomad bow before I use a yumi(at least in strat battles). However there are members in Hospitaller that swear by the yumi. I guess it's just personal preference.
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Re: Who uses the Yumi?
« Reply #16 on: April 29, 2012, 02:31:03 am »
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Seems like its the bastard of the bows. Would take a serious weaboo to use it. Roleplaying a samurai and crap, cant see why anyone would take a yumi against a horn bow.
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Re: Who uses the Yumi?
« Reply #17 on: April 29, 2012, 10:34:47 am »
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Seems like its the bastard of the bows. Would take a serious weaboo to use it.

Exactly why I used it. I do miss it, if I'm honest, but it's just not good enough to hybrid with it.

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Re: Who uses the Yumi?
« Reply #18 on: April 29, 2012, 11:05:38 am »
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In my book of thought, yumi is in no comparision for the Long bow and Rus bow. If you have 6 PD, and you are a ground archer. Simply use Long bow or Rus bow.

So, this makes yumi a bow for Horse Archers, that it can be used on horseback, simply because Rus bow and Long bow can not be used from horseback. Also let's not forget Yumi is the bow of Yabusame (if I am not mistaken with the name). In other words Weaboo Horse Archers...
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So, a good horse archer with a possibly 18/18 build for level 30 has two options. Either go with a Horn bow or a Yumi (Tatar bow might be an option too). So let's compare these two:
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Missile Speed: 39 - 35
Weight: 1.2 - 1.5
Accuracy: 97 - 100
Difficulty: 5 - 6
Speed Rating: 61 - 60
Damage: 24c - 26c
Slots: 1 - 1

To sum up our determiners:
-We have 6 PD. So requirement is not a factor.
-We are a horse archer. So we can come near to our enemies, and can quickly move out. Which makes shooting faster, less valuable.
-Weight is not important, because we are riding a horse.

So now, it's time to judge:
-Horn bow has better fire rate, better missile speed. It's also a bit more cheaper.
-Yumi has better accuracy, better damage.

Seems like a fair trade. But no. Things are a bit different. Let's look at the whole table:
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We see here, as we go to left there is a change of 2cut damage between bows (except rus-long). Their fire rate also seem to decrease by 3, until horn bow. But, when we reach the gap between tatar and horn bow, it is 66 speed to 61 speed. Then in horn bow- Yumi it is 61 to 60. Meaning Yumi gains 2 more cut damage in exchange of 1 point fire rate! Of course now, there is the issue of missile speed of 35 which is even lower than the short bow (37). But a masterwork yumi has 38 missile speed, compared to the missile speed of masterwork horn bow (42). 38 missile speed is also equal to the missile speed of a regular tatar bow (38).

So the conclusion is, it's pure personal preference. It depends on if you want your arrows to move very fast, or move at a decent speed but deliver more damage when it hits. The reason we don't see many Yumi users is, however, there are not many horse archers to go with a 18/18 build. 3 horse archery is not enough, so they tend to go for 15/24, which leaves Horn bow as the only option available. Maybe tatar bow might be also nice, due to the high fire rate. But that's it. There's not much of a place for a Yumi. Yet, it is a good bow that has it's unique characteristics in my opinion.
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Re: Who uses the Yumi?
« Reply #19 on: April 29, 2012, 01:29:49 pm »
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To be fair, giving it 5 requirement and maybe nerfing it in some other place would be more desirable.

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Re: Who uses the Yumi?
« Reply #20 on: April 29, 2012, 01:33:14 pm »
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Yumi accuracy is stated higher on the website but afaik increasing power draw decreases one's accuracy so really the horn bow is more accurate with 5 pd than a Yumi with 6. IIRC

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Re: Who uses the Yumi?
« Reply #21 on: April 29, 2012, 02:50:19 pm »
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To be fair, giving it 5 requirement and maybe nerfing it in some other place would be more desirable.
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Re: Who uses the Yumi?
« Reply #22 on: April 29, 2012, 03:22:36 pm »
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Yumi accuracy is stated higher on the website but afaik increasing power draw decreases one's accuracy so really the horn bow is more accurate with 5 pd than a Yumi with 6. IIRC

With 6pd and 160+wpf - yumi has smaller spread than hornbow\rusbow\longbow


To be fair, giving it 5 requirement and maybe nerfing it in some other place would be more desirable.

For what reason? No one use Bow and Short Bow too, let's nerf them too a bit.

It's not a problem of the bow, it's problem about lazy people, who do not want to do any experiments.
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Re: Who uses the Yumi?
« Reply #23 on: April 29, 2012, 03:35:51 pm »
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I am one of those who decided not to bother with this bow, at my own risk of missing something of course. Missisle speed is one of my highest priorities. If the short bow had the base missile speed of an arbalest Id probably use it non stop. But since this is not the case I stick to the longbow, even though I think I would be more effective with the rusbow, but I think its ugly.
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Re: Who uses the Yumi?
« Reply #24 on: April 29, 2012, 08:35:15 pm »
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Yumi should be 5 PD. I'd be happy to use it then, as it is, I put up with it on my archer because it's a japanese bow.

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Re: Who uses the Yumi?
« Reply #25 on: April 29, 2012, 11:50:26 pm »
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Maybe if they made the yumi 5pd then added the daikyu to be 6pd and unusable from horseback then I might wanna be a weeaboo.
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Re: Who uses the Yumi?
« Reply #26 on: May 01, 2012, 04:13:59 am »
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Maybe if they made the yumi 5pd then added the daikyu to be 6pd and unusable from horseback then I might wanna be a weeaboo.

I've always found the word Yumi in cRPG a bit redundant since it's just a way of saying Bow in Japanese, but I agree, they should probably rename the Yumi to Hankyu and lower it to 5 PD and add a Daikyu for 6 PD.

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Re: Who uses the Yumi?
« Reply #27 on: May 02, 2012, 11:36:59 pm »
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I used the yumi and will again. Once I masterwork my yumi, it's +2 atm, it will have the power of the a longbow but be much faster and only take one slot. I felt it was the best bow to loom because of it's combination of speed and power.
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Re: Who uses the Yumi?
« Reply #28 on: May 02, 2012, 11:53:59 pm »
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And I am buying 3 loompoints in a row, just to have this awesome bow. In case you will not sell your yumi to me of course :P
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Re: Who uses the Yumi?
« Reply #29 on: May 03, 2012, 09:19:51 pm »
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Well I say 5PD cos then it's more viable for horse archers but as a foot bow it's not that bad so I wouldn't want it overpowered.

I also like the Daikyu idea.