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What Came First The Chicken Or The Egg?

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Re: What Came First?
« Reply #15 on: March 16, 2011, 06:45:40 pm »
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well imo its about how you define chicken, chicken as we know it today evolved from its predecessors it wasnt a like two headed forum troll lay an egg, and bam chicken comes out  :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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Re: What Came First?
« Reply #16 on: March 16, 2011, 07:39:49 pm »
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CHICKEN
This theory of lizards laying eggs and out comes a chicken is a nice tale to tell your children so the sleep well and do their homework. But it doesn't withstand scientific examination.
Upfront - I can see a chicken loosing its feathers or learning to fly through evolution. It's not that different from breeding dogs after all.
But now consider this:
Even if we take nothing into account but the genes there's only so and so many that produce a healthy chicken. The vast majority of possible mutations would not even produce something that could survive for two seconds. In other words the chance that a lizard mutates into a chicken is so infinitely small that it'd would take half your life to even read the number. We've never witnessed a species evolving into another. Heck, if you are a white man with a white wife and your child is black could she tell you some stories about mutation? And that's easy.
And even if that happens (it won't) we have only one chicken. How's that gonna mate? Assuming it isn't eaten in the first place, because whatever improvement those wings are over the legs, chickens are still eaten 9 times out of 10.
But maybe it's all done in small steps ... like maybe a lizard gets some feathers and then the feathered lizards thrive and multiply and then one of those grows a beak (if genetics were that simple...), and the beaked feathered lizard multiplies and one of them learns to stand up on his hindlegs... We'd be knee deep in strange monsters if it worked that way. Well, we aren't, even if a lizard got feathers, it'd be still a lizard and no more survivable. On the contrary, someone mistakes it for a chicken and eats it. He can only tell by the taste.
For anyone who can cast of his bias for a moment the answer is obvious.
Fish rain.
Well, you know when sometimes it's raining fish or frogs ... well, one day it rained chicken.

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Re: What Came First?
« Reply #17 on: March 16, 2011, 09:10:21 pm »
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well imo its about how you define chicken, chicken as we know it today evolved from its predecessors it wasnt a like two headed forum troll lay an egg, and bam chicken comes out  :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

This is the closest answer to scientific fact which indicates there has been evolutionionary development
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Re: What Came First?
« Reply #18 on: March 17, 2011, 06:23:04 pm »
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Re: What Came First?
« Reply #19 on: March 18, 2011, 01:43:49 am »
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CHICKEN
This theory of lizards laying eggs and out comes a chicken is a nice tale to tell your children so the sleep well and do their homework. But it doesn't withstand scientific examination.
Upfront - I can see a chicken loosing its feathers or learning to fly through evolution. It's not that different from breeding dogs after all.
But now consider this:
Even if we take nothing into account but the genes there's only so and so many that produce a healthy chicken. The vast majority of possible mutations would not even produce something that could survive for two seconds. In other words the chance that a lizard mutates into a chicken is so infinitely small that it'd would take half your life to even read the number. We've never witnessed a species evolving into another. Heck, if you are a white man with a white wife and your child is black could she tell you some stories about mutation? And that's easy.
And even if that happens (it won't) we have only one chicken. How's that gonna mate? Assuming it isn't eaten in the first place, because whatever improvement those wings are over the legs, chickens are still eaten 9 times out of 10.
But maybe it's all done in small steps ... like maybe a lizard gets some feathers and then the feathered lizards thrive and multiply and then one of those grows a beak (if genetics were that simple...), and the beaked feathered lizard multiplies and one of them learns to stand up on his hindlegs... We'd be knee deep in strange monsters if it worked that way. Well, we aren't, even if a lizard got feathers, it'd be still a lizard and no more survivable. On the contrary, someone mistakes it for a chicken and eats it. He can only tell by the taste.
For anyone who can cast of his bias for a moment the answer is obvious.
Fish rain.
Well, you know when sometimes it's raining fish or frogs ... well, one day it rained chicken.

Evolution is gradual, not instant. Dinosaurs didn't shit out eggs and birds hatch from them the next day.
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Re: What Came First?
« Reply #20 on: March 18, 2011, 03:45:01 am »
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Where's the pterodactyl option?
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Re: What Came First?
« Reply #21 on: March 18, 2011, 01:01:54 pm »
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The egg came first, 2 species similar to chickens had sex and bam a chicken egg came out :D
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Re: What Came First?
« Reply #22 on: March 18, 2011, 01:42:46 pm »
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Chicken ofc.  :wink:

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Re: What Came First?
« Reply #23 on: March 20, 2011, 05:14:21 am »
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Chicken, or well the cell that evolved from being a cell to the chicken, cells dont need eggs to reproduce  :mrgreen:
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Re: What Came First?
« Reply #24 on: March 20, 2011, 05:40:20 am »
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Do you understand why this question is still floating around??..

Ignorance, stupidity, poor education and primarily, mankind's ability to sustain any illogical thought as the basis for a system of thousands of years of belief.
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Re: What Came First?
« Reply #25 on: March 20, 2011, 05:41:27 am »
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Raptor Jesus.
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Re: What Came First?
« Reply #26 on: March 20, 2011, 12:01:55 pm »
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Chicken, or well the cell that evolved from being a cell to the chicken, cells dont need eggs to reproduce  :mrgreen:

HURR?

Did you know when babies are born they're born with a distinct pattern of genes that is made up of its parents DNA. Did you know this DNA, remains a constant throughout your whole life until death. Did you know that your genes are what set the rules in your body, for every function and purpose of your body, therefore if there's a genetic mutation after conception then this mutation could possibly manifest itself as an external mutation (like bigger claws, bigger tits, smaller dicks ect), or internal mutation (stronger heart, bigger lungs, bigger brain, resistance to more viruses and illnesses) and in cases the mutation isnt a positive but a negative like removing the bodies ability to produce antibodies or a higher level of lactose intollerance, or a higher risk of cancer. Only because of how our society and technology has developed people with faulty genes these days live, or else if we were back in the medieval age, these people with genetic handicaps would most likely die at an early age.
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Re: What Came First?
« Reply #27 on: March 20, 2011, 12:10:30 pm »
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You all are wrong, dont you understand the chicken IS the egg. Think about it
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Re: What Came First?
« Reply #28 on: March 20, 2011, 12:19:51 pm »
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You all are wrong, dont you understand the chicken IS the egg. Think about it

That's the point.
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Re: What Came First?
« Reply #29 on: March 20, 2011, 05:40:34 pm »
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HURR?

Did you know when babies are born they're born with a distinct pattern of genes that is made up of its parents DNA. Did you know this DNA, remains a constant throughout your whole life until death. Did you know that your genes are what set the rules in your body, for every function and purpose of your body, therefore if there's a genetic mutation after conception then this mutation could possibly manifest itself as an external mutation (like bigger claws, bigger tits, smaller dicks ect), or internal mutation (stronger heart, bigger lungs, bigger brain, resistance to more viruses and illnesses) and in cases the mutation isnt a positive but a negative like removing the bodies ability to produce antibodies or a higher level of lactose intollerance, or a higher risk of cancer. Only because of how our society and technology has developed people with faulty genes these days live, or else if we were back in the medieval age, these people with genetic handicaps would most likely die at an early age.


Huuuur I meant the first cells/bacteria that happened to exist a couple of hundreds of millions years ago, that evolved into a chicken :P
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