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Offline HassassinJOE

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Is this fair at all
« on: April 13, 2012, 03:39:06 am »
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the guy has 18 str 6 iron skin.. leather jerkin armour (normal)..

i have 16 str, 5 power throw, normal war darts at 25p...

i hit him 7 times to kill him.. 6 on the front 1 on the back...

throwing weapons simply dont do enough damige...

im on a mount throwing them at people... where is the bonus from speed added while mounted.

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Re: Is this fair at all
« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2012, 03:43:26 am »
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im on a mount throwing them at people... where is the bonus from speed added while mounted.

AFAIK speed bonus for projectiles on horseback doesn't take into account your speed, just theirs relative to your position when thrown.
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Re: Is this fair at all
« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2012, 04:08:52 am »
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yeah only their speed bonus matters. Yours doesn't give bonus.

Also war darts? That's a harrassment weapon...PT2 required. Try a real one.

Third sorry to tell you but pure thrower is a gimmick build, and horse thrower is an even bigger gimmick. They are just not very effective. Throwing is most effective as a compliment for normal infantry (hyrbid)...

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Re: Is this fair at all
« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2012, 05:50:21 am »
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Isn't there some sort of mounted ranged damage reduction as well, or am I crazy?
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Re: Is this fair at all
« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2012, 06:01:11 am »
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Do you have the wpf for your PT, out of curiosity? This does seem rather odd.
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Re: Is this fair at all
« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2012, 10:03:35 am »
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dont use low tier throwing weapons. Even with 6 pt and enough wpf they do next to no damage

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Re: Is this fair at all
« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2012, 11:45:20 am »
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Fix throwing, I've taken throwing lances to the body in a worn desert robe with 21str 4 IF and lived, it's just not right.
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Re: Is this fair at all
« Reply #7 on: April 13, 2012, 09:04:33 pm »
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Throwing is not weak. War darts are weak ;)

I use throwing lances with 27/12 build. I think it's a bit unfair I can 1 hit kill so many people.

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Re: Is this fair at all
« Reply #8 on: April 13, 2012, 10:04:54 pm »
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Throwing is not weak. War darts are weak ;)

I use throwing lances with 27/12 build. I think it's a bit unfair I can 1 hit kill so many people.

Considering how you can wield a max of 4 lances (maybe more with heirlooms I don't know anything about them) that means at most you'll get 4 kills a round by throwing them.

That fucking blows. I was even able to survive 2 of them the other day with 70 hp and 52 body armor (was running away from them so they were hurt from speed bonus, and I was black barred... but still). 

I strongly believe that throwing lances should be 1 hit kills in almost all situations, given how many downsides they have.
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Re: Is this fair at all
« Reply #9 on: April 13, 2012, 10:22:28 pm »
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Considering how you can wield a max of 4 lances (maybe more with heirlooms I don't know anything about them) that means at most you'll get 4 kills a round by throwing them.

you can wield a max of infinity since you can pick them up off the ground when they miss

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Re: Is this fair at all
« Reply #10 on: April 13, 2012, 10:36:08 pm »
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Considering how you can wield a max of 4 lances (maybe more with heirlooms I don't know anything about them) that means at most you'll get 4 kills a round by throwing them.

That fucking blows. I was even able to survive 2 of them the other day with 70 hp and 52 body armor (was running away from them so they were hurt from speed bonus, and I was black barred... but still). 

I strongly believe that throwing lances should be 1 hit kills in almost all situations, given how many downsides they have.

Again, pure throwing is pretty much a gimmick build, even in history nobody did that. Famous throwing armies like the Romans or Vikings/Franks had their regular soldiers throwing them before the melee. Throwing is special since its main purpose is as a sidearm catagory of weapons. You just can't try and balance it around people who are trying to make it their only weapon, it's just  fact they gotta deal with that they're going to struggle if they insist on trying to take a limited purpose sidearm weapon and making it their main attack.

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Re: Is this fair at all
« Reply #11 on: April 13, 2012, 10:50:06 pm »
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Im sure Chestacles with have something to say about this
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Re: Is this fair at all
« Reply #12 on: April 14, 2012, 01:48:18 am »
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you can wield a max of infinity since you can pick them up off the ground when they miss

...until you do something useful and hit someone. 

Again, pure throwing is pretty much a gimmick build, even in history nobody did that. Famous throwing armies like the Romans or Vikings/Franks had their regular soldiers throwing them before the melee. Throwing is special since its main purpose is as a sidearm catagory of weapons. You just can't try and balance it around people who are trying to make it their only weapon, it's just  fact they gotta deal with that they're going to struggle if they insist on trying to take a limited purpose sidearm weapon and making it their main attack.

It's a gimmick build because it isn't balanced.  When something requires 7 PT and a 98 effective wpf to be useable, you can only carry 4, and they don't always 1 hit kill, that's a bad item.

High tier throwing should be buffed or removed in favor of more low tier options to fulfill the hybrid role better.
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Re: Is this fair at all
« Reply #13 on: April 14, 2012, 02:15:09 am »
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Try throwing axes with cut damage. They are better attacking someone in low-tier armor (leather jerkin).
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Re: Is this fair at all
« Reply #14 on: April 14, 2012, 02:25:44 am »
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Alright so at first what do you think should deal more damage, throwing lances or heavy lance from speeding horse? Impact, speed bonus and other factors whisper that horseman should deal bigger damage, because his lance is heavier and it looses less force on the armour because of strong way of holding it. But here there are some people that survive many many lance hits so I find it a total bullshit. Came here just to say that heavy lance from speeding horse should deal more dmg than throwing lance.
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