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I know you hate horseman but...
« on: April 08, 2012, 01:28:32 am »
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     Please guys this is bullshit. HS from throwing lance to my cataphract took 55% hp away, but what is funny, 1 hit of 1h weapon to the legs of my horsie took the same dmg.... C'mon! Don't tell me that HS from throwing lance = 1h hit to legs... If so, I want infantry which gets hit into legs to stop moving and archers who are hit into hands to stop shooting. My Cataphract for which I pay over 3100 upkeep simply dies from 1 danish hit, just as rouncey, but rouncey is faster and more maneuverable. What is important, is that the armour of the heavy horses is down to their fucking ankles and it means it is easier to kick the legs of the horsie than hit them with a weapon, but on the server every under-head attack to the horsie is counted as leg-hit...

Do something about it. Heavy horses die like flies and they aren't worth their price. What is good is that they look awesome but that's all. Ofc bump dmg is nice as well but while charging straight, you risk a loss of the horse.

PS. today I hit a very strong 2h guy 3 times while I was on around 70% speed and after he survived 3 stabs of +1 heavy lance, he 1-hitted me with Highland claymore.
Until I hit a footmen to the head with H-lance, he won't die from 1 hit. I really think that the difference between lance and heavy lance are just ridiculous. 10 more length by sacrifice of 4 dmg and 11 speed rating... There is some kind of lack of sense. Also other, even not so strong chars survive a lot. Have forgotten to say that I had 61 body armour on me and 18 str and 3 IF...

I know you will all say that cav is already op and bla bla and EZ mod and bla bla - bullshit. Nowadays heavy horses are dying like flies, you need to hit sb 2 times with heavy lance to kill him ( it's not that hard to hold bottom block to be honest ). In fact 80% kills of cav are thx to cavs' intelligence and choosing the proper way (ofc all the backstabs are included in that 80%) the rest of the kills are lucky or spawnkills...

I don't give a fuck on archery, just do sth with heavy lance or just delete this horsies-naked-legs thing please... hitting horsie to the head with a good weapon equals hitting to the legs with shit and currently when the angle of attack is low, it's not that hard to move aside and just swing, because your effective range at that angle will be better.

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BlueKnight
« Last Edit: April 08, 2012, 01:35:27 am by BlueKnight »
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Re: I know you hate horseman but...
« Reply #1 on: April 08, 2012, 02:11:47 am »
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so basically you want the opportunity  to buy some shoes for your horse ?
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Re: I know you hate horseman but...
« Reply #2 on: April 08, 2012, 03:09:30 am »
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Damn right, buff throwing! That lance shouldve been a 1hit kill.
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Re: I know you hate horseman but...
« Reply #3 on: April 08, 2012, 03:15:40 am »
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Re: I know you hate horseman but...
« Reply #4 on: April 08, 2012, 03:19:10 am »
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Oh pfft.

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Re: I know you hate horseman but...
« Reply #5 on: April 08, 2012, 03:32:12 am »
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BUFF CAV.

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Re: I know you hate horseman but...
« Reply #6 on: April 08, 2012, 03:37:49 am »
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Damn right, buff throwing! That lance shouldve been a 1hit kill.
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Re: I know you hate horseman but...
« Reply #7 on: April 08, 2012, 03:59:17 am »
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Horses dying earlier is good. I use a heavy horse and my horse dies reasonably enough. Large warhorse does die in 2-3 hits easily enough, and I  think that's fine, since I can be reasonably safe against damage in the first place.

I do agree that legs are a dumb place to put the vulnerable place.

The vulnerable spot should be the head, should do more damage, and revert legs to previous.

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Re: I know you hate horseman but...
« Reply #8 on: April 08, 2012, 04:22:02 am »
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Increased damage is fine, however the problem is that the "legs" are perceived as having 0 armor rating which completely negates the upkeep costs and speed/maneuver penalties that heavier horses have.

Keep the nerf, but scale it to armor somewhat, so plated chargers still get whalloped hard by melee but not quite as much by cheap awful 1 hand cut weapons.

Also, remove this penalty on friendly fire.  9/10 damage to a horse's legs is done by a teammate trying to killsteal your pr0 cav lancer plays.  One kill hungry low awareness infantry even with the reduced friendly fire damage can do grievous amounts of team wounding to your horse because of this.  It makes it even more difficult to play cavalry then it already is, please adjust.
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Re: I know you hate horseman but...
« Reply #9 on: April 08, 2012, 04:29:55 am »
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Will just say this...my plated charger got 1 shot by a 2h (heavy bastard sword) to the legs.

Not joking at all. The leg damage has completely negated heavy horses in melee situations. If a plated charger can be 1 shot then something is wrong.
« Last Edit: April 08, 2012, 04:31:17 am by Overdriven »

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Re: I know you hate horseman but...
« Reply #10 on: April 08, 2012, 04:31:50 am »
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1st: buff infantry intelligence

2nd: buff cav again to a reasonable level


You need step 1 first, to be able to do step 2. I agree cav is UP at the moment, but only "on the paper". In reality cav is fine, because so many players suck in fighting cav. And I don't mean focusing and killing a cav player, I mean not being killed by cav at all. Most players on the servers behave like there would be no cavalry at all, running around like lemmings. That's the reason why you have to suffer from such ridiculous nerfs like onehittable horses.

But because cavalry doesn't need a stat buff, but only l2p, you already have the potential there to deal with cav effectively. And some players do, and those are the moments where it become obvious how UP cav actually is, leading to threads like this one here.

But I am against every cav buff unless I see that random players on the servers grow a brain. Which means I won't support cav buff for a very long time  :|
« Last Edit: April 08, 2012, 04:33:05 am by Joker86 »
Joker makes a very good point.
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Re: I know you hate horseman but...
« Reply #11 on: April 08, 2012, 05:21:14 am »
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Re: I know you hate horseman but...
« Reply #12 on: April 08, 2012, 05:24:56 am »
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Damn right, buff throwing! That lance shouldve been a 1hit kill.

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Re: I know you hate horseman but...
« Reply #13 on: April 08, 2012, 06:14:45 am »
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    but what is funny, 1 hit of 1h weapon to the legs of my horsie took the same dmg.... C'mon!

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Re: I know you hate horseman but...
« Reply #14 on: April 08, 2012, 06:29:29 am »
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