Horses with no feeling of pain

[SDGS8]

hi ho,
i think its a little bit strange and unfair, that horses don´t feel pain / show reactions if you hit then. i know: if you hit them with a polearm or so theystop. but just if you stand in front of them.
i think its unfair and unbalanced and need to be fixed. horses are like a car or so. if they got hit (from side or with bolt or so), they a have to show a reaction. at least the unarmored.
i have many problems with this term: a hores man rides straigth to attack me....i hit the horse (on head or any other bodypart), but it dont die.....i got killed because the horse is like a car....it shows no pain, like my char if he got hit.
what think you about?

greetings

[Kophka]

I totally agree. They should write an equine A.I., so that our horses (at high ride skill at least) act like the trained warrior companions they are supposed to be. Including : No longer need to try to avoid obstacles, or people, since a trained horse will respond to visual, voice, and manual cues. No longer get surrounded by enemy infantry, since the trained horse will be kicking, biting, bumping, and spinning, any infantry foolish enough to be in the vicinity will be knocked to the ground, kicked hard, or trampled. I'm sure more things can be added to the list, both detrimental and beneficial.

[SDGS8]

ha ha ha.......................................... 

i made no joke!!! if i cant act for a few moments if i got hit.....so why can horses act? i dont shoot with paperballs or air. and my close-weapon is not from the toymarket. 

[Wulzzz]

Guy, same applies to humans.
Always funny to see people humans with 3 arrows in their chest, axe in their head etc and they move as if nothing happened.
They got blood everywhere but...........
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eMkth8FWno#t=3m00

Minute 3

[SDGS8]

the matter isn´t have many things in body or ultra-realism 
just the reacton....a short stop of the horse when getting hit.....

is anybody here who can give a serious reply, to a serious suggestion??????????????

[Hirlok]

Yeah, those humans with an axe in their face make me lol as well.... at least you would pull that axe out in reality, so ingame it should fade away after 30 sec max... .

back to the horsies:
- some do show a reaction. If I put an arrow in some abandoned horsies butt, it usually runs off, so it seemingly does not want to have more of that.
- they already have some AI ;-) Recently I saw a horse that was more intelligent than the rest of the team - it came to the rescue of our flag and ran over the sneaky guy who was standing next to it... flag defense by lonely horsie, all on its own ;-)

But I agree: would make sense that they are a bit less of "things" and more the sensitive beings they are
(says the ponyhunter... ;-) )

[Wulzzz]

Well that would affect the balance too much
Cav doesn't need a nerf if you are thinking about a stun like melee get when they are shot.
Imagine cav just freaking out looking like an epileptic explosion cause some guy spams throwing knifes at the horse.
Horses are huge and easy to hit and i would exploit horse stun by making a range spammer..either hunting bow archer with huge wpf or throwing knifes thrower..

[Solidox]

GREAT idea. Horse gets shot with arrow and stunned meanwhile archer has time to reload and fire another arrow right as horse gets out of stun. With this method horses wont be able to travel more than 10 ft in archer presents.

I have another idea to suggest to yours, everytime a horse hits someone the horse collapses of heart failure. And also how about after each hit in melee your armor is reduced in effect by 50%, And archers bows break after holding the arrow for too long. Also make polearms get stuck in the ground if they hit the ground. Can we make cloth armor like 50 body armor so we have variate in the battlefield and not just all mail?

[Teeth]

Guy, same applies to humans.
Always funny to see people humans with 3 arrows in their chest, axe in their head etc and they move as if nothing happened.
They got blood everywhere but...........
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eMkth8FWno#t=3m00

Minute 3

I find that hilarious and it should definetely stay in this mod. Nothing more awesome than killing people while you have several projectiles sticking out of your bum, Berzerker style!

[BD_Guard_Bane]

Horses are noble creatures. They are kind and empathic, and cannot stand to be alone.

Why would you want to see a horse (even a graphical representation of one) in pain?

Don't forget, Nietzsche had a mental collapse just from seeing a horse being whipped, which shows how highly he regarded horses - he certainly didn't think compassion was a good thing in the human animal!

In short, you are sick. I hope one day you are confronted by a horse, and it stares deep into your eyes with a look that says: 'I can see into your soul', and you realise the error of your ways.

[bruce]

hi ho,
i think its a little bit strange and unfair, that horses don´t feel pain / show reactions if you hit then. i know: if you hit them with a polearm or so theystop. but just if you stand in front of them.

I think it's a little bit strange that people get up a second after being hit by a charging animal weighting 500kg with minimal, almost nonexistent, damage, but it's how the game works. Strangely. The funniest bit is when you kill a horse which is charging directly at you* instead of the whole big carcass falling on you and incapaciting you, you get to overhead the rider on the floor and finish him off.

You don't find those things strange at all?

*my favourite way of killing horses with a 1h sword, overhead them when they charge you, instakill ;)

[Airith]

Most of the suggestions in this thread are not doable with the current module system. You'd have to go ask TaleWorlds to patch this into Warband.

And horse bumps don't do much damage because there is supposed to be a balance between classes. I've seen what high horse bump damage does and cavalry becomes the only viable option.

[Patricia]

Yeah, those humans with an axe in their face make me lol as well.... at least you would pull that axe out in reality, so ingame it should fade away after 30 sec max... .

back to the horsies:
- some do show a reaction. If I put an arrow in some abandoned horsies butt, it usually runs off, so it seemingly does not want to have more of that.
- they already have some AI ;-) Recently I saw a horse that was more intelligent than the rest of the team - it came to the rescue of our flag and ran over the sneaky guy who was standing next to it... flag defense by lonely horsie, all on its own ;-)

But I agree: would make sense that they are a bit less of "things" and more the sensitive beings they are
(says the ponyhunter... ;-) )

Actually in reality, the best would be to keep said axe there, if you get stabbed or something, it's really recommended for you to keep whatever stabbed you as on the way out if you try to pull it out, it might damage important organs that it missed on the way in, and you will also bleed much much more than if you were just to keep it in there.

[Gorath]

Horses are noble creatures. They are kind and empathic, and cannot stand to be alone.

Why would you want to see a horse (even a graphical representation of one) in pain?

Don't forget, Nietzsche had a mental collapse just from seeing a horse being whipped, which shows how highly he regarded horses - he certainly didn't think compassion was a good thing in the human animal!

In short, you are sick. I hope one day you are confronted by a horse, and it stares deep into your eyes with a look that says: 'I can see into your soul', and you realise the error of your ways.

Horses are filthy disgusting vile animals that deserve to be gutted and ground into glue.  /spit
I understand girls like ponies, but since the development of the engine there is no redeeming value to horses anymore besides dogfood and glue.  Die horses die.

Oh and Nietzsche got worked up over the horse being whipped because he got insanely turned on by seeing flesh get whipped and couldn't fap hard enough to compensate.

[Armbrust_Schtze]

would not be possible i think...also cav would be nerfed to pieces. please only post suggestions that make sense and can be lealized with the warband engine.