What to do about TKers? [feedback]

[nuffen]

Im cant promise that I will follow the advice, but it would be handy to know what you guys think about the punishment-level in the game.

[Torp]

reflecting team damage would solve it imo

[Dravic]

No reflecting dmg, it would hurt anyone who is in fight and his teammate jumps between his sword and enemy and then what happens? Guy who is best on server, and almost cut in half enemy's best player, dies because of dmg reflection cause some stupid person jumped between him and enemy...


Ban for 1hour. But I would write down his/her serial key, so if he will do such a thing again, ban for week. Than, after week, if his/her serial key will do that again - perma ban.

[Xant]

Voted "He should not ban the TKer because the TKer is in a major clan that will retaliate against the admin for months."

No admin should have to go against major clans. All those angry letters and ultimatums and tears. And bombs. Terrible. Best leave them major clans be.

edit: but if the "months" is just weeks then that's OK.

[bruce]

reflecting team damage would solve it imo

Automated script to delete your character after any TK would also solve it.

The idea is not finding a solution, but a good solution. Reflective teamdamage always feels like silly magic mechanic which detracts from the feel of the game. Also, it is exploitable by trolls and such, and soon we'd be having threads like "ban XYZ for jumping in front of archers" and would need rules like "intentional jumping in front of friendly weapons is forbidden".

And really... before you try to find solutions, you've got to ask whether you in fact have a problem. And I'd say we don't, really. There's the odd troll who TKs intentionally which deserves a ban, the odd rage TKer, and of course, accidents which happen from both someone being careless with swings/shots, from people being killhungry maggots which have 0 situational awareness and charging into teammate's swings.... and of course, pure accidents because of ethereal corpses, etc.

Aside from people who repeatedly do intentional TKs, and who get banned anyway, I don't find there are any problems to "fix" with reflective damage or something of the sort.


As for this thread and the poll... well, do we seriously need the sort of admin who is going to be butthurt for the next three months because 49.5% of the people (who are by his statement all voting for "wrong" reasons) think he shouldn't be an admin? Why can't you be like normal admins who don't argue with players, only kick/ban people when someone is obviously in the wrong, and in general you don't notice an admin is there until someone is actually breaking the rules? Nobody is polling them for a reason. Stop being a damn drama queen.

[Casimir]

If the admin witnesses it then id go for kuck (first offence).

If its first offence and they dont witness it warning.

If they dont witness it but the player is a known tker then a 1 hour ban pending extension from player reports.

If they do witness it and they are a known tker then they should use their common sence.

That is my opinion.

[nuffen]

As for this thread and the poll... well, do we seriously need the sort of admin who is going to be butthurt for the next three months because 49.5% of the people (who are by his statement all voting for "wrong" reasons) think he shouldn't be an admin? Why can't you be like normal admins who don't argue with players, only kick/ban people when someone is obviously in the wrong, and in general you don't notice an admin is there until someone is actually breaking the rules? Nobody is polling them for a reason. Stop being a damn drama queen.

What? You dont think the admins should try to get any feedback from the users about their opinion on the administration of the servers?

[Punisher]

For intentional TK at spawn there should be 1 week ban, no warning. It is obviously a deliberate violation of the rules so I see no reason to show any mercy.

[Babelfish]

Since it was a new guy that spawned, i voted for a kick(should have been warning+kick). Ban is harsh, when it could have been a banner bug.

However if someone that has been playing for several rounds spawn-tks i would ban them for 1-4 days (on first offense, double ban-time for second offense )

[nuffen]

Oh, I didnt mean new as in never played before. The admin wouldnt know that. I ment new as in new to that battle.

[Babelfish]

Oh, I didnt mean new as in never played before. The admin wouldnt know that. I ment new as in new to that battle.

ditto, i was confused when i first encountered the banner-bug, think i did 1-3 team-hits before i figured out i was a idiot

[Madcat]

I think intentional TK should definitely be kicked. Or intentional harassment.
But was it a revenge TK? I don't think revenge TKS should be allowed. It makes a bad environment but maybe it warrants some leniency.

[Kafein]

Just a kick for the first time. It CAN be an error.

[Torp]

I think intentional TK should definitely be kicked. Or intentional harassment.
But was it a revenge TK? I don't think revenge TKS should be allowed. It makes a bad environment but maybe it warrants some leniency.

define 'revenge tks'

yesterday, some assholes kept trying to tk, and i killed him 2-3 times because he tried to kill me.
It wasn't a revenge tk, it was merely self-defence.
ofc i could've just tun away, but then i would have to watch my back for that guy all the time, and it just seemed easier and more fair to kill him.
I don't know if it is allowed, but it definitely shouldnt cause a ban.

[nuffen]

define 'revenge tks'

yesterday, some assholes kept trying to tk, and i killed him 2-3 times because he tried to kill me.
It wasn't a revenge tk, it was merely self-defence.
ofc i could've just tun away, but then i would have to watch my back for that guy all the time, and it just seemed easier and more fair to kill him.
I don't know if it is allowed, but it definitely shouldnt cause a ban.

To answer your question, it's not allowed. Why?
Imagine being the admin. It's at the start of a battle, so early that the cavalry havent even had the time to get to the enemy. You see the text of someone tking someone. In this situation its obious that it is an intentional TK, and as an admin you probably ban the tker for it.
Here, your defence-TK kicks in. If he kills you, the admin will see it and probably ban him. If you kill him, it will look like your the bad guy, and you'll probably be banned.
Defence-TK is still an intentional tk, and is against the rules, and it also makes it harder to admin the server.