Solution to the Strength Madness???

[Gurnisson]

nerf ranged

The only thing I liked about being a strength build. Have rolled 30/9 twice and 27/12 once and I feel so squishy with 21/18 when facing projectiles.

[Stabby_Dave]

Both those extreme builds (3-39 and 39-3) shouldn't be viable. They should change the mod in a way where every build that has more than 30 STR or AGI isn't viable at all. At least that's what I think.

Yeah... everyone hates variety.

[Vibe]

The only thing I liked about being a strength build. Have rolled 30/9 twice and 27/12 once and I feel so squishy with 21/18 when facing projectiles.

Bleh 21/18 with decent armor is still nice, try being 15/24 with 2 IF and armor below Light Kuyak

[Gurnisson]

Bleh 21/18 with decent armor is still nice, try being 15/24 with 2 IF and armor below Light Kuyak

I have an alt with 18/21 no IF and 40 body armour and my main feel as squishy as that one with 21 str 5 IF and 50 body armour.

[B3RS3RK]

Bleh 21/18 with decent armor is still nice, try being 15/24 with 2 IF and armor below Light Kuyak

I do that with NO IF...

Scale armor.

Sometimes Projectiles can do heavy damage, but sometimes i find an arrow only does like 1/10 of my health damage...

[Leshma]

Yeah... everyone hates variety.

There's more than 20 viable combinations if you limit STR/AGI to 30. Remember that those combinations above aren't removed, just aren't viable. And AGI chars with more than 30 AGI are troll builds so that leaves us with the real issue, extreme STR builds being viable.

Multiply 20 with number of different classes and you'll get a lot of builds. Also you can make hybrids which means even more builds.

Everything will stay the same, only extreme builds will become shit which is how it should be.

[Leshma]

Also at level 36 it's possible to make 42/3 build which has 14 IF/PS and 125 WPP. That build is slow but when he hits you, with lets say Mighty Morningstar, you are dead. That build has 105 HP

[Vibe]

Simple solution to address the above mentioned high STR builds - remove free WPF per level.

0 WM - 0 WPF, as it was mentioned a thousand times

[Xant]

Also at level 36 it's possible to make 42/3 build which has 14 IF/PS and 125 WPP. That build is slow but when he hits you, with lets say Mighty Morningstar, you are dead. That build has 105 HP

Level 36 builds are hardly relevant when discussing balance, though.

[_Tak_]

WPP is extremely useful if you are using slow weapons, such as poleaxes, mauls and slow 1 handed swords such as arbian cav sword, long spear, pike. It's not worth it if you are using weapons that is already fast (E.G Katana)

[Vibe]

WPP is extremely useful if you are using slow weapons, such as poleaxes, mauls and slow 1 handed swords such as arbian cav sword. It's not worth it if you are using weapons that is already fast

Good, and you think it's fair that people that invest everything into power (and nothing into weapon master) should be awarded free speed/damage bonus from weapon proficiency?

[_Tak_]

Good, and you think it's fair that people that invest everything into power (and nothing into weapon master) should be awarded free speed/damage bonus from weapon proficiency?

It is fair, because:

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*The weapon they use have more chance to break than people invest points into wpp
* They will swing alot faster using Slow weapons than other people who don't put points into wpp
* People who don't put points into wps , their attacks will become easier to block
* People who invest points into wpp can spam people to death than people with no wpp
* you do get a bit more damage if you have more wpp and you do swing faster (Try to make a char on native with 355 wpp in 1 handed via cheats, you will notice the big difference, especially if you try it on archery and throwing

[Vibe]

Point is 0 WM people still get 111 WPF, thus a great increase in speed and damage. Ofcourse 8 WM will swing a bit faster, fact is even with 0 WM you'll get a significant swing speed bonus from free wpf.

[_Tak_]

Point is 0 WM people still get 111 WPF, thus a great increase in speed and damage.

there is a big difference between 111 and 156. Try long axe on 111 and make STF with 12/27 max weapon master and you will feel the difference

[Vibe]

there is a big difference between 111 and 156. Try long axe on 111 and make STF with 12/27 max weapon master and you will feel the difference

The difference is anything but great for how much PS (or other skills) you can get with sacrificing WM.