Solution to the Strength Madness???

[Logen]

yeah. what xunt said

[Xant]

The balance is fine now, there's no need to fix something that isn't broken. Unless it's free wpf per 5 agility, then it's the best idea I've heard.

[Haze_The_Hobo]

Rofl, if str gets nerfed agi is op. They are in fine balance, best builds are 18/21 18/18 21/18, 24/15, 15/24.

[Teeth]

Flatten the wpf curve. Str builds should have less wpf than they have now, agi builds should have more wpf than they have now. Being able to get 114 wpf in one class without even having to put any points in WM is just too much.

[Cepeshi]

So you want them uberfast agiwhores to hit as hard as the guys who invested to power over speed? No.

[Teeth]

So you want them uberfast agiwhores to hit as hard as the guys who invested to power over speed? No.

The damage bonus from wpf is quite minor.

[Cepeshi]

The damage bonus from wpf is quite minor.

I was thinking more speedbonus with 8Athl vs str crutcher with like 3-4ath most and heavy armored.

If there was reduction in PS bonus and the things that OP suggested would have happened, the agiwhores would be fast AND quite hardhitting. At the moment you can choose to be either somewhat slow, but hardhitter, or fast but needing more landed hits to kill someone. Or you can go that MEH way, balanced builds, somewhat good speed, somewhat good damage. This suggested change would put the balance to hell.

[Vibe]

I was thinking more speedbonus with 8Athl vs str crutcher with like 3-4ath most and heavy armored.

If there was reduction in PS bonus and the things that OP suggested would have happened, the agiwhores would be fast AND quite hardhitting. At the moment you can choose to be either somewhat slow, but hardhitter, or fast but needing more landed hits to kill someone. Or you can go that MEH way, balanced builds, somewhat good speed, somewhat good damage. This suggested change would put the balance to hell.

What Teeth is talking about is the STR monsters that put 0 WM and use the skillpoints to put even more points in IF or somewhere else, doesn't have anything to do with OPs retarded suggestion.

[CrazyCracka420]

I think reducing PS isn't a good idea.  Personally I'd like the dev's to leave this kind of thing alone until they perfect other areas of the game (that are not related to balance), and maybe tried to make strategus into a decent game.

But if I was to suggest a balance, I'd have to agree that Strength builds (for infantry melee) are far superior to agility builds.  Which makes pretty good sense.

In an ideal world agility would be like in many games, where the more agility you have, the more you can swing without having to 'rest'.  Also if riding skill actually made a noticeable difference when riding horses agility wouldn't be strength's little red headed step child.  If you didn't get free WPF on every level, and actually made it worthwhile/necessary to use the Weapon Master skill, then it would help the imbalance between str and agi.

[Zerran]

Agility (read: Athletics, not Weapon Master), is extremely useful. The issue is that the vast majority of the community doesn't seem to have any idea how to properly use it. All too often I see someone invest a ton of points into agility and athletics just to use it for range games and backpeddling.

[Rumblood]

Flatten the wpf curve. Str builds should have less wpf than they have now, agi builds should have more wpf than they have now. Being able to get 114 wpf in one class without even having to put any points in WM is just too much.

No. The Archer Strength builds already are limited to how much PD they can have due to WPF restrictions that limits effective accuracy. This would just make the Long Bow extinct.

[Cup1d]

Agility (read: Athletics, not Weapon Master), is extremely useful. The issue is that the vast majority of the community doesn't seem to have any idea how to properly use it. All too often I see someone invest a ton of points into agility and athletics just to use it for range games and backpeddling.

I sure you, health is even more useful. Or you prefer to be agile corpse?
It's simple, with STR you receive all except athletics. All melee weapons has str requirements. All armor has str requirements too. If you do not need shield or horse or bow or throwing - your choice is strength.
114 wpf in melee is more than enough for half-decent player

[Candiru]

Lol at str being more viable than agility. Try facing against a agi whore having too much strength getting outreached and stabbed all the time.

[MrShine]

Lol at str being more viable than agility. Try facing against a agi whore having too much strength getting outreached and stabbed all the time.

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[Rumblood]

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