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Re: Bows vs Throwing, A mathematical Approach!
« Reply #15 on: March 03, 2012, 03:25:05 am »
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I've had about 3 gens as a thrower, one as a horse thrower (before slot system, damn you slots). One does not throw with the reticule, one WILLS the projectile into your target. Occasionally your projectile flies off randomly into the corner of the reticule but for the most part they throw in the same place. You learn the tendencies of your throwing weapon of choice (axes for me) and they'll go where you want. THE RETICULE IS A LIE

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Re: Bows vs Throwing, A mathematical Approach!
« Reply #16 on: March 04, 2012, 05:20:19 am »
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Spoons is right, THE RETICULE IS A LIE! LONG LIVE WAR DARTS!
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Re: Bows vs Throwing, A mathematical Approach!
« Reply #17 on: March 04, 2012, 05:52:29 am »
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Spoons is right, THE RETICULE IS A LIE! LONG LIVE WAR DARTS!
I used war darts for test, Because they are the best.

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Re: Bows vs Throwing, A mathematical Approach!
« Reply #18 on: March 04, 2012, 09:42:43 am »
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I used war darts for test, Because they are the best.

You can't curve war darts over teammates to headshot the enemy. You can with axes!
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Re: Bows vs Throwing, A mathematical Approach!
« Reply #19 on: March 04, 2012, 09:45:07 am »
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You can't curve war darts over teammates to headshot the enemy. You can with axes!

How?

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Re: Bows vs Throwing, A mathematical Approach!
« Reply #20 on: March 04, 2012, 11:04:51 am »
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Re: Bows vs Throwing, A mathematical Approach!
« Reply #21 on: March 04, 2012, 12:00:21 pm »
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If you're a certain distance back from the front lines you can drop axes right on people as well. Darts are more close range spam at you, axes medium-close.

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Re: Bows vs Throwing, A mathematical Approach!
« Reply #22 on: March 04, 2012, 10:47:01 pm »
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Also, not to be discounted in the bow/xbow/throwing debate... Throwing axes and their ilk are not all that bad as melee weapons. Plus, Shields!

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Re: Bows vs Throwing, A mathematical Approach!
« Reply #23 on: March 04, 2012, 11:02:29 pm »
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Also, not to be discounted in the bow/xbow/throwing debate... Throwing axes and their ilk are not all that bad as melee weapons. Plus, Shields!

You can still be bumped if you're using a shield in your weapon is in throw mode :|. I found that adding 7 throwing to my 7 PS guy did not help me much at all [84 pole, 130 throwing]. The throwing lance is a decent melee weapon, but there are times where I stab a fucker so many many times and he doesn't die :\ [the cake was a throwing lance throw+5 Long hafted blade hits]. To be fair, jarids, and axes are probably much better throwing weapons, with the axes being alright 1her weapons
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Re: Bows vs Throwing, A mathematical Approach!
« Reply #24 on: March 04, 2012, 11:29:20 pm »
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Axes are solid one handers.

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Re: Bows vs Throwing, A mathematical Approach!
« Reply #25 on: March 05, 2012, 04:08:18 am »
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Along the lines of testing, about 15 yards from the target the 3rd person reticule is off by an inch above and seems to have an inclination to throw to the left of it(didn't test the centering long enough). This is probably why throwers do it by pure willpower and not aiming.

Once you start using the force though your accuracy sky rockets. I could hit 80% of my axes when picking my shots.
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Re: Bows vs Throwing, A mathematical Approach!
« Reply #26 on: March 05, 2012, 04:24:53 pm »
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I've had about 3 gens as a thrower, one as a horse thrower (before slot system, damn you slots). One does not throw with the reticule, one WILLS the projectile into your target. Occasionally your projectile flies off randomly into the corner of the reticule but for the most part they throw in the same place. You learn the tendencies of your throwing weapon of choice (axes for me) and they'll go where you want. THE RETICULE IS A LIE

That's what I was trying to say before...hence why I don't think the test can be accurate if they were lining up the center of the crosshair for the throws.  I don't know all the throwing weapon trajectories, but I do know that jav's throw in the bottom right of the reticule, axes fall really quickly, so if you're not adjusting for these natural tendencies of the projectile you're doing it wrong.
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Re: Bows vs Throwing, A mathematical Approach!
« Reply #27 on: March 05, 2012, 05:13:44 pm »
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That's what I was trying to say before...hence why I don't think the test can be accurate if they were lining up the center of the crosshair for the throws.  I don't know all the throwing weapon trajectories, but I do know that jav's throw in the bottom right of the reticule, axes fall really quickly, so if you're not adjusting for these natural tendencies of the projectile you're doing it wrong.
You're right (2gen thrower here), but I still think HT needs a damage buff (may or may not be HT),
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Re: Bows vs Throwing, A mathematical Approach!
« Reply #28 on: March 05, 2012, 11:31:51 pm »
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That's what I was trying to say before...hence why I don't think the test can be accurate if they were lining up the center of the crosshair for the throws.  I don't know all the throwing weapon trajectories, but I do know that jav's throw in the bottom right of the reticule, axes fall really quickly, so if you're not adjusting for these natural tendencies of the projectile you're doing it wrong.

I was doing it right, At least for war darts, which throw pretty straight, I accounted for drop and made sure I was aiming right for the tests.

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Re: Bows vs Throwing, A mathematical Approach!
« Reply #29 on: March 06, 2012, 01:32:43 am »
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The idea that wardarts of all things are being claimed a good option over the bow is just a laughable idea. Throwing packs far more punch at close range but if you throw wardarts they are far from strong. They also have limited ammo as a side weapon, lack of range and the accuracy is far off what bows can be potentially. I am a hybrid thrower and have been for 9 gens and with pt 5, wpf 145 and throwing mw javelins I can assure you that I am very much on par with a lot of stronger archers for damage, but far less accurate and have to get far closer to hit.
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