Do people use a Great Lance?

[Kenji]

• Yes, I use a great lance.
• Yes, it's a decent weapon.
• No, it's OP and should be nerfed..

[vgamedude]

Ahem.

Check your numbers.

pre-0.262 and post-0.270 are probably all-time minimums for the proportion of active infantry. pre-0.262 because ranged appeals to more ranged, and it got very bad. And post-0.270 because of the cav influx of 0.262, and the ranged influx of 0.270.


Even more compelling is the evolution of ratios during a match. 1 minute before a round ends, out of all the survivors, usually 80% have some kind of ranged weapon.

You still have no solid proof of that and also the reason that range are the last alive is because by their very nature, must be more cautious and also they stay back to avoid conflict, not frontline warfare or flanking as melee do. Being the last alive means nothing however, what matters is the impact you had while being alive.

Also I'm speaking from an NA server standpoint which, I suppose I should have mentioned before hand. I don't go to the EU servers so maybe it's different there. Regardless though range should not be useless an is just as much a part of this game as anything else.

[Lt_Anders]

And back to nerf archery on a thread discussing the great lance.

Damn leshma and his EU archer hatred.

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Archers should not exist. Only throwers and Crossbows are the true ranged class.

[Leshma]

As I already said, only way to make Great Lance useful is to make its only ability exclusive. Currently heavy lance is like swiss army knife, it can be used in every situation therefore no need for Great Lance. When I was playing lancer, more than a year ago before lance angle nerf I've used only heavy lance. No shield, no one handed sword as backup. I was pure lancer. I would like to see lancers who use thrust-able lance like Heavy Lance and couch-able lance (Great Lance). But in that case they would be raped by ranged. So it's needed to make ranged non "viable".

[_Tak_]

SoF_Warham has a loomed Great lance and he is great with it , but bad weapon against Cav, and looming this weapon is useless since it didn't give much of anything

[FRANK_THE_TANK]

I remember the LoC now, it was great fun.

Buff GL and for god sakes don't increase price and let it poke that would just be fucking stupid.

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[Lt_Anders]

You know, only one person so far has actually answered the 3 questions i asked?

Now, the GL needs a buff. It's not even...used! In fact, people only use it cause they like looking cool.

[Overdriven]

I've seen quite a few people using it recently. But very rarely are many effective with it.

I've never used one myself for the simple reason that the heavy lance is a better weapon all round.

Great lance would be decent if it had some extra length. That's my main gripe. It needs some extra length to give it more viability.

Also agree about the increased couch benefits for looms seeing as that is its only function.

[whitepaladin]

I've seen quite a few people using it recently. But very rarely are many effective with it.

I've never used one myself for the simple reason that the heavy lance is a better weapon all round.

Great lance would be decent if it had some extra length. That's my main gripe. It needs some extra length to give it more viability.

Also agree about the increased couch benefits for looms seeing as that is its only function.

I agree but the heavy lance is VERY expensive compared to the great lance...

[Lt_Anders]

I agree but the heavy lance is VERY expensive compared to the great lance...

And? Plate armor is more expensive than leather armor. Yet I still see a large portion of infantry using heavy armor....

Balance by price can only accomplish so much. Sometimes, you just have to balance items interanally(in this case, make each lance usuable, and not make the HL the only horseback lance.)

[whitepaladin]

And? Plate armor is more expensive than leather armor. Yet I still see a large portion of infantry using heavy armor....

Balance by price can only accomplish so much. Sometimes, you just have to balance items interanally(in this case, make each lance usuable, and not make the HL the only horseback lance.)

difference= infantry do not have much upkeep problems since they do not use horses and ranged weaps, cav however are like infantry only with +20k to price because of horse and that makes lance price a big deal!  cav UP because of gold

[Lt_Anders]

difference= infantry do not have much upkeep problems since they do not use horses and ranged weaps, cav however are like infantry only with +20k to price because of horse and that makes lance price a big deal!  cav UP because of gold

20k plate+ 12k greatsword equals a standard cav player in cost.(assuming courser, HL and medium armor.)

[whitepaladin]

20k plate+ 12k greatsword equals a standard cav player in cost.(assuming courser, HL and medium armor.)

lemme add 20k courser + 10k HL and 7000 gold total cost chain mail + a sword lol that is at least 45k if not more!
EDIT: and a shield (3k) and sword 6k the "chain mail" would be blue mail with tunic mail chausses mail coif mail gauntlets

[Lt_Anders]

lemme add 20k courser + 10k HL and 7000 gold total cost chain mail + a sword lol that is at least 45k if not more!

Heh courser is more expensive than i thought. I use destrier. Mine costs me 50k.

Either way Hlance should stay expensive and be nerfed so that Glance CAN beat it.(or GL buffed so that it's better)

[Korgoth]

I've got a question.

Do you actually need Polearm wpf to use the Great Lance ?

That could be a major pro about it. Using the great lance with 1 wpf and then having a lot of 1 handed for when dismounted.