Do people use a Great Lance?

[Dravic]

I've tried a low str high agi dedicated Great Lance user.

Couching all the time on horse etc.

Didn't work. Simply as that. It's just gimped build atm.

[FRANK_THE_TANK]

Length 250
dmg 38

+1 = 1dmg couch speed limit drop.
+2 = couch time increase, recovery speed up.
+3 = recovery speed up, speed limit drop.

Long spear and pike will out poke it but every thing else will be pooped. Would be op.

Buff its dmg to 36.

+1 10 length added +1dmg couch recovery time reduced by 5% (Powerful)
+2 10 length added +1dmg couch recovery time reduced by 5% (ReinforceD)
+3 10 length added +1dmg couch recovery time reduced by 5% (Mighty)

[Leshma]

How do plan to increase length? By replacing model?

And no, LoC had no counter. It can't come back. Sorry LLJK, I know you loved it.

[Christo]

LoC was devastating back then, when we had no 300 length Pike, to counter it.

Still the rage that the LoC would generate.. it would be lobbied to death in a week.
Especially by those rookies who didn't experience that thing before.. those will cry the loudest.

[FRANK_THE_TANK]

I don't even remember the LoC...

@Leshma: Unless adding 10 to the length number magically made it grow then yeah we would need 3 new models.

[Leshma]

Lance of Compensation (name is lol) was 255 (or 275 not sure about length) long lance. You could couch it, nothing else, just like Great Lance. It had no melee counter, gay as fuck.

Bringing it back would just generate more pikes and that would make thing worse than they alaready are...

[Shik]

(not sure about length)

was 382 length

[Smoothrich]

bring it back for 1 week only and see how the LoC works in today's metagame

still though my point remains mw rus bows and mw bodkins do comparable damage to a horse's lance except instead of 350~ range (too long to counter!) these bows have 350,000 range! 

[obitus]

great lance is a terrible weapon.  its use is heavily dependent on map; lots of maps are either too hilly or too close quarters to couch reliably, at which point your great lance is absolutely harmless.

furthermore it's impossible to turn around and attack anyone behind with a great lance, so i always chase great lance cav when i see them and the chase invariably ends with a dead great lancer.

[Leshma]

Bows horses bows horses... I'm sick of that. Since I've started playing this the whole game is about horses and archers. They should call it Mount & Arrow instead of blade...

[Christo]

Bows horses bows horses... I'm sick of that.

I know that, it's like

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Isn't that true? They are the two most important, most decisive parts of a team. 

Sure, a good melee group is the backbone. But these "specialists" are really important, and will mess up the entire game, when they aren't equally distributed. Melee, has no such thing. Clan groups are an exception.

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Only difference is, that our fighter planes are stuck to the ground. But they work like that, at least lancers. 

[FRANK_THE_TANK]

great lance is a terrible weapon.  its use is heavily dependent on map; lots of maps are either too hilly or too close quarters to couch reliably, at which point your great lance is absolutely harmless.

furthermore it's impossible to turn around and attack anyone behind with a great lance, so i always chase great lance cav when i see them and the chase invariably ends with a dead great lancer.

Not so. Tight maps are great for the GL, you just need to get ahead of your inf and do suicide runs around corners, nothing funny than going full gallop around a corner at full tilt into a group of inf and piling out the other side with a head stuck to your GL.

If your being chased the objective is to manuver free and if you can't or won't to engage then you drop the gl whip out a 1h and hack the bastard off his horse. In a tight circling cav on cav fight a 1h should pound a lance every time. The only thing that would break that up is if the 1h is bad or is having some kind of ping issue OR and its a big OR the lance cav is exceptionaly good.

PS there is nothing funny than hitting ctrl J and back handing a lancer off his horse at super close range.

GO MIGHTY AIR BRAKES GO!

[whitepaladin]

I think the grt lance could be changed: a bit longer, make heavy lance less expensive (7k) make grt lance more expensive (10k) but make grt lance able to thrust, not just couch!

[vgamedude]

Bows horses bows horses... I'm sick of that. Since I've started playing this the whole game is about horses and archers. They should call it Mount & Arrow instead of blade...

Leshma congratulations for typing some of the most biased melee favoritism I have ever seen. That statement I quoted is full of false claims. In no way is a server more populated by archers and cav then infantry. Neither does archery need to be useless as you claim. We tried the whole useless archery thing last few patches and look how fast that got reverted.

Anyway trying not to stray off topic too much and I do agree with anders that the GL needs a buff. It's simply not up to par with the other lances. Also the loom bonuses should actually be useful for the weapon.

[Kafein]

In no way is a server more populated by archers and cav then infantry.

Ahem.

Check your numbers.

pre-0.262 and post-0.270 are probably all-time minimums for the proportion of active infantry. pre-0.262 because ranged appeals to more ranged, and it got very bad. And post-0.270 because of the cav influx of 0.262, and the ranged influx of 0.270.


Even more compelling is the evolution of ratios during a match. 1 minute before a round ends, out of all the survivors, usually 80% have some kind of ranged weapon.