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Re: Raised shield should prevent horse bump knockdown
« Reply #16 on: February 13, 2012, 12:47:26 am »
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I think it would be unfair if shields could withstand horses any better than an other weapon. If shields would help, just holding block with a weapon should work too. Anyway, I think horses bumping people down is great as it is. However, I think the damage from horse bumping should be at least divided by 5. It's not good for the playability/fun that cavalry can kill most players in 2-3 bumps. If someone is going to play the "realism" card here, it's perfectly realistic that getting run over by a horse hurts, but it hurts at least as much for the horse.

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Re: Raised shield should prevent horse bump knockdown
« Reply #18 on: February 13, 2012, 01:08:20 am »
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a raised shield should be able to absorb the impact of a charging horse and allow the shielder to stay on their feet.

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Re: Raised shield should prevent horse bump knockdown
« Reply #19 on: February 13, 2012, 01:13:13 am »
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Re: Raised shield should prevent horse bump knockdown
« Reply #20 on: February 13, 2012, 08:10:53 am »
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Yeah sure... horse should break its legs and fall dead instantly of course!
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Re: Raised shield should prevent horse bump knockdown
« Reply #21 on: February 13, 2012, 12:25:04 pm »
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No matter how much gold it costs, being able to knock someone over just by pressing W at them is pretty ridiculous, no more ridiculous than being able to prevent that knockdown by pressing RMB with shield.
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Re: Raised shield should prevent horse bump knockdown
« Reply #22 on: February 13, 2012, 12:30:40 pm »
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Re: Raised shield should prevent horse bump knockdown
« Reply #23 on: February 13, 2012, 02:49:21 pm »
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As a shielder I have to say no to this suggestion.

The only thing that should changes about horse bumping is some sort of reflective damage back onto the horse depending on the weight of what they are hitting.

So if a horse hits a peasant they will only take a very small amount of base damage that will all be absorbed by the horses armour anyway
Meanwhile if a horse hits a plated knight with a shield, then the base damage will be much larger and only the heavily armoured horses will absorb all the damage.

So armoured horses will be pretty much immune to this reflective damage as they should be.  But endlessly bumping armoured people with a rouncey will stop being a possibility.  A few bumps with a rouncey will still be useful though.

Finally - if the horse actually takes damage then the rider should be disrupted. 

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Re: Raised shield should prevent horse bump knockdown
« Reply #24 on: February 13, 2012, 02:56:22 pm »
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As a shielder I have to say no to this suggestion.

The only thing that should changes about horse bumping is some sort of reflective damage back onto the horse depending on the weight of what they are hitting.

So if a horse hits a peasant they will only take a very small amount of base damage that will all be absorbed by the horses armour anyway
Meanwhile if a horse hits a plated knight with a shield, then the base damage will be much larger and only the heavily armoured horses will absorb all the damage.

So armoured horses will be pretty much immune to this reflective damage as they should be.  But endlessly bumping armoured people with a rouncey will stop being a possibility.  A few bumps with a rouncey will still be useful though.

Finally - if the horse actually takes damage then the rider should be disrupted.

As a cav player, I like this.  Maybe not the action disruption, because then bumpslashing won't really be possible, but the damage reflection seems good.
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Re: Raised shield should prevent horse bump knockdown
« Reply #25 on: February 13, 2012, 03:11:49 pm »
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As a cav player, I like this.  Maybe not the action disruption, because then bumpslashing won't really be possible, but the damage reflection seems good.

Bump slashing would still be possible but only if your horse has high enough armour compared to the target. Obviously the actual balance of this is completely open to debate.  I'd take the reflective damage on its own as a start though :D

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Re: Raised shield should prevent horse bump knockdown
« Reply #26 on: February 13, 2012, 04:56:24 pm »
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Re: Raised shield should prevent horse bump knockdown
« Reply #27 on: February 13, 2012, 09:46:54 pm »
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only when high riding will add AOE horsebump

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Re: Raised shield should prevent horse bump knockdown
« Reply #28 on: February 13, 2012, 09:51:44 pm »
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I think there should be a shield with a spike on it that rears horses and impales people when you kick  :twisted:

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Re: Raised shield should prevent horse bump knockdown
« Reply #29 on: February 13, 2012, 10:53:18 pm »
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No matter how much gold it costs, being able to knock someone over just by pressing W at them is pretty ridiculous, no more ridiculous than being able to prevent that knockdown by pressing RMB with shield.

Just so. Not every horse charge is a 100% full frontal unavoidable trampling, and in fact most of them aren't. Most are deflections and a shield is more than adequate for a warrior to absorb a deflected impact without losing his footing. It is worth noting that a shield does not absorb the shock of the blow. Rather, it redistributes the shock over a larger area, making it possible for the human body to absorb the force of the blow with reduced risk of injury. He might be knocked back, but people are a lot better at keeping on their feet than you people seem to think. I realize real life experience in walking and maintaining your balance and such may be beyond some of you.  :P
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