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Re: Siege is much better now w/o ladders - thanks devs
« Reply #15 on: January 26, 2012, 04:33:28 pm »
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Take 7 the Grey and put them in top of a ladder. Done.
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Re: Siege is much better now w/o ladders - thanks devs
« Reply #16 on: January 26, 2012, 06:35:01 pm »
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Agreed, siege is much more balanced now without ladders. HOWEVER, the prevalence of Mauls is making certain maps impossible for attackers. When there are only 2-3 ladders, the defenders only need 2 maulers on top of each ladder to assure victory.

Mauls are probably perfectly balanced for Battle, but they are over the top on Siege now.

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Re: Siege is much better now w/o ladders - thanks devs
« Reply #17 on: January 26, 2012, 09:52:12 pm »
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Re: Siege is much better now w/o ladders - thanks devs
« Reply #18 on: January 26, 2012, 09:55:38 pm »
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Agreed, siege is much more balanced now without ladders. HOWEVER, the prevalence of Mauls is making certain maps impossible for attackers. When there are only 2-3 ladders, the defenders only need 2 maulers on top of each ladder to assure victory.

Mauls are probably perfectly balanced for Battle, but they are over the top on Siege now.

Do people even use mauls in battle? They are pretty awful 1v1 with their comedy speed/range, they are just gimmick weapons for chokepoints. If anything they should be exclusively balanced around siege.

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Re: Siege is much better now w/o ladders - thanks devs
« Reply #19 on: January 26, 2012, 10:54:15 pm »
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Do people even use mauls in battle?
Yes, all the time on NA since certain clans use spiffy teamwork to make it viable, and even the plebs are catching on.
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Re: Siege is much better now w/o ladders - thanks devs
« Reply #20 on: January 26, 2012, 11:00:40 pm »
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I really like siege now without the constant ladderspam. Now people have to play together :)


True some maps are unbalanced and need some rework to be done, but that's what we have Jacko for :D
Give him feedback (which map and what you mean exactly) and he will probably check it.


But most of the "unbalance" comes from people mindlessly rushing towards enemies instead of opening/defending gates etc^^

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Re: Siege is much better now w/o ladders - thanks devs
« Reply #21 on: February 01, 2012, 09:16:35 pm »
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For the more balanced thing, this is more some kind of placebo effect.

As i have made the statistics for the upkeep there was an attacker/defender win rate of 50/50 and 55/45 out of 100 rounds.

Now i have logged 200 rounds without ladders. In the end it was 111 wins for the attacker and 89 wins for the defender.
To be more precise:
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No major difference to the winning rate with ladders, only my excitety-meter has changed from  :P to  :|  .

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Re: Siege is much better now w/o ladders - thanks devs
« Reply #22 on: February 01, 2012, 10:18:53 pm »
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What was the server population where you recorded that data?

With 80+ people on siege defenders were much better able to hold off ladderspam on a lot of maps. With 40 it was not so hot.

We all know the boring maps, the ones that are pointlessly large, have only single routes to flag, no timed gates (just big ones you gotta spend 2 mins hacking through).

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Re: Siege is much better now w/o ladders - thanks devs
« Reply #23 on: February 02, 2012, 12:13:09 am »
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Personally I find siege much more boring now. I never liked the native style meatgrinders where you don't have a choice but to climb that ladder into the arms of 20 waiting defenders. I also don't understand the bitching about ladders unbalancing maps, at least from european players. There were only a couple of castles that were really unbalanced with ladders. Most just had a couple of good spots for ladder placement, something that you can easily defend against if you know what you're doing.
This was not my experience; I'd say on about half the maps the attackers would win 3-0. There was a kind of balance in that half the time you were on the attacking team...
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Re: Siege is much better now w/o ladders - thanks devs
« Reply #24 on: February 02, 2012, 04:45:41 am »
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Talking about EU servers:

I agree it is more balanced but is it more fun ?
I don't think so.
Less possibilities = Less fun.

Ladders didn't make siege unbalanced , that was retarded defenders which made it unbalanced.
If you see a guy carrying a HUGE ladder , you should kill him simple as that.
Still lots of noobs fighting on walls while enemy takes flag ...
Lots of teamhits etc...
But i understand because siege is more newbie friendly then battle mode.
More newbies = more fails
I can live with that but i kinda sorta want ladders back .

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Re: Siege is much better now w/o ladders - thanks devs
« Reply #25 on: February 02, 2012, 09:58:52 pm »
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I think ladders should be taken out of battle, but I wish they were left in siege. I loved the used of ladders. Added a lot more variety to matches.  I already miss them a bunch.

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Re: Siege is much better now w/o ladders - thanks devs
« Reply #26 on: February 02, 2012, 10:34:38 pm »
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much less fun without ladders in siege

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Re: Siege is much better now w/o ladders - thanks devs
« Reply #27 on: February 02, 2012, 10:57:05 pm »
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Well this is not a more fun/less fun easy and open shot case.

Personally i liked ladders in siege. However, after a while we were that trained in putting em up that on a lot of castles we could bypass nearly half the defence and cap the flag in like under a minute. I can understand that this was frustrating for some people, however, 1)as defender you should know the weak spots in your defence 2)you could allways join HRE and enjoy our awesome laddering.
I can accept that ladders are gone, and that we now have to assault the castles the way they are ment to be assaulted. BUT some siege maps are rly built in a retarded way that makes it impossible to cap the flag without ladders. My favourite in this one is the castle with the massive, useless courtyard (nobody ever walks there) with a keep with a double spiralling set of stairs. Without ladders it takes you 1.30 mins of walking be4 you can even start killing people. Any1 with some siege experience knows that this is plainly retarded. I can understand that the map maker is a amateur-architect IRL and that he spontaneously jizzed in his pants by the sight of his Escher-like double stairwell, but maps like this make experienced players on attackers side just GTX, hence imbalancing the further course of the round even more.

If you want to keep siege ladder free, then the maps that are nearly uncappable without them should be removed from rotation.

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Re: Siege is much better now w/o ladders - thanks devs
« Reply #28 on: February 02, 2012, 10:58:54 pm »
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Devs should add couple of ladders to some of the maps.
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