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Re: Why is Armor difficulty so low?
« Reply #15 on: January 25, 2012, 11:11:10 pm »
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Surprised nobody else commented on it.  I'm not an expert, but have seen that claim debunked before.

Apparently there was some movie in the 70s that depicted knights having to use cranes to get them on their horses and everyone takes this as fact.  However, it's been demonstrated many times they were able to move around in heavy armor fairly easily, and as you say, somewhat comparable to today's soldier.  I think total weight is comparable, but your movements would be more restricted in heavy mail or plated armor.  But you could still certainly move, and these were people who were training for these conditions since they were little kids, they were comfortable in this gear, or as comfortable as you could be.

Watch this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTyjb0-TsxY They wear full contact jousting plate, and at 2:14, a guy is doing a somersault off his horse onto a dude lying on the floor.

Full plate is heavy, but the weight is evenly distributed on all your body parts. You can jog in full plate no problem. It will exhaust you quickly, but your movements are not much restricted.
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Re: Why is Armor difficulty so low?
« Reply #16 on: January 26, 2012, 01:55:41 am »
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Thats some fucking crazy shit they're doing, man I am jealous D:
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Re: Why is Armor difficulty so low?
« Reply #17 on: January 26, 2012, 08:10:49 am »
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Thats some fucking crazy shit they're doing, man I am jealous D:

Well, if you're American, you can learn to ride and then go and apply, I think.
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Re: Why is Armor difficulty so low?
« Reply #18 on: January 26, 2012, 09:59:03 am »
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well shit is not the reason why its so low is because everything was raised so high???

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Re: Why is Armor difficulty so low?
« Reply #19 on: January 27, 2012, 03:42:05 am »
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Agi builds don't complement plate well. My last gen I was 15/24, ran with gothic plate a few times just to try it, but it's worthless with that kind of build. I was still faster than most people with it, but due to my health being so low already, the protection from the armor did very little. I still died in 2-3 hits from anything but a high agi ninja build using a cut weapon. All raising plate difficulty would do is mean agi builds would be forced to use armor that's better for them anyway.
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Re: Why is Armor difficulty so low?
« Reply #20 on: January 27, 2012, 04:21:10 am »
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actually i remember seeing somewhere that the health bonus from armor is only good when you have a high amount of health.i completely 4got why though if anyone remembers maybe that will make agi pl8 crutch fail more believable
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Re: Why is Armor difficulty so low?
« Reply #21 on: January 27, 2012, 04:42:03 am »
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agi build is for sissies.
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Re: Why is Armor difficulty so low?
« Reply #22 on: January 27, 2012, 12:04:12 pm »
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sadly the main argument for agi builds being useful is that in the hands of a skilled player they are effective...

to me that makes no sense seeing how any build in the hands of a skilled player would be effective

but everyone thinks i am crazy saying the perfect example of this is what is more deadly: a 30/9 or a 9/30 build?
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Re: Why is Armor difficulty so low?
« Reply #23 on: January 27, 2012, 12:34:19 pm »
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One more kid that hasnt read a single medieval warfare and armors book besides children books with no text just pictures.
1. Medieval plate is actually similar if not lighter to equipment today's soldier has to carry around all the time.
2. Getting up from lying postion in plate is fairly easy.
3. Plate is actually very flexible if armor is done correctly and moving in plate is very similar to moving in chain mail.

Go read a fucking book and talk about realism.

We are talking about a game not about IRL. Go realism discussion.

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Re: Why is Armor difficulty so low?
« Reply #24 on: January 27, 2012, 06:43:48 pm »
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Well, if you're American, you can learn to ride and then go and apply, I think.

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Re: Why is Armor difficulty so low?
« Reply #25 on: January 28, 2012, 02:07:21 pm »
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+1, my 38 body 12 leg armor has 11 difficulty, u  can wear 100kg of metal on u with just 3-5 str more? It ain't right.
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Re: Why is Armor difficulty so low?
« Reply #26 on: January 28, 2012, 03:13:16 pm »
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Balanced builds are the shit imho.

Str builds are situational in that they are great for ganging and being "line infantry" - when things are going as they should.

Problem is that when shit hits the fan and you need to gtfo/fight multiple enemies/duel/dodge a lance then str builds are utter shit.

Also, they're incredibly boring to play imo.


Agi builds are situational in that while they are great for picking your fights and getting out of bad ones, they don't really have the "oomph" to get into the thick of things and have an uncanny ability to get one or two-shotted.

That being said, agi builds are more fun to play imo, but a whole team of agi builds just won't cut it.


And this is where the balanced build comes into play. A good player will do best with a balanced build since he can deal with almost any situation by playing to his opponents weakness. You're a str build? I'll drag you out in the open, harass you, outduel you, outrange you and I have the oomph to do this in a manageable amount of time. You're an agi build? I can keep up with you. I'll play defensively, capitalize on stuns, force glances and then quickly 1-2 shot you.

Specialization is detrimental to a good player, you want to be as versatile as possible.

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Re: Why is Armor difficulty so low?
« Reply #27 on: January 28, 2012, 03:17:16 pm »
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+1, my 38 body 12 leg armor has 11 difficulty, u  can wear 100kg of metal on u with just 3-5 str more? It ain't right.

The weights in cRPG are actually pretty accurate. Full plate armor is a bit over 30 kg. However, plate armor has better weight distribution than mail armor, which mostly stresses the shoulders.
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Re: Why is Armor difficulty so low?
« Reply #28 on: January 28, 2012, 03:19:10 pm »
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The weights in cRPG are actually pretty accurate. Full plate armor is a bit over 30 kg. However, plate armor has better weight distribution than mail armor, which mostly stresses the shoulders.

Aye, but wearing a belt makes mail much more manageable.
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