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Offline Turkhammer

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Arrow effectiveness against mail and plate
« on: January 21, 2012, 02:17:58 am »
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wiki article about the subject for those interested.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodkin_point

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Re: Arrow effectiveness against mail and plate
« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2012, 02:23:11 am »
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wiki article about the subject for those interested.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodkin_point



Wrong section

Correct section the Realism section AKA the we dont give a shit about realism section  :arrow: http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/board,69.0.html

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Re: Arrow effectiveness against mail and plate
« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2012, 02:31:03 am »
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tbh this says that even bodkins should only make small damage to plate, and "normal"  = broadhead arrows should do none.

That's my point. ( Pun intended.)  Horses and everyone except plate wearers should be vulnerable to (1 or 2) arrow shots to the body in game.  X-bows could penetrate plate, therefore even plate wearers in game should suffer from 1 to 2 x bow shots.

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Re: Arrow effectiveness against mail and plate
« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2012, 02:37:17 am »
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That's my point. ( Pun intended.)  Horses and everyone except plate wearers should be vulnerable to (1 or 2) arrow shots to the body in game.  X-bows could penetrate plate, therefore even plate wearers in game should suffer from 1 to 2 x bow shots.

Wouldn't have been infantry left (bar platers) :lol:
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Re: Arrow effectiveness against mail and plate
« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2012, 02:39:50 am »
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Wouldn't have been infantry left (bar platers) :lol:

By the time true pavise arbalests came about, most professional armies were heavily armoured. Problem is cRPG has a wide disparity of era weaponry.
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Re: Arrow effectiveness against mail and plate
« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2012, 04:34:25 am »
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Wouldn't have been infantry left (bar platers) :lol:

Shields are a natural defense against ranged.  The anti-ranged lobby wants to be shield free.  To do that they need to neuter the archers.

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Re: Arrow effectiveness against mail and plate
« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2012, 06:14:38 am »
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http://www.myarmoury.com/feature_mail.html
scroll down to "weapons vs mail." this topic is irrelevant anyways because it has nothing to do with balance or gameplay.

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Re: Arrow effectiveness against mail and plate
« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2012, 01:51:14 pm »
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wiki article about the subject for those interested.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodkin_point
'In a modern test, a direct hit from a steel bodkin point penetrated Damascus chain armour, although at point blank range.[2] However, the test was conducted without a padded jack or gambeson, which was layered cloth armor worn over heavier armor for protection against projectiles, as it was known to stop even heavy arrows.'

'Armour of the Medieval eras was not completely proof against arrows until the specialized armour of the Italian city-state mercenary companies.'

'Some recent tests have demonstrated that needle bodkins could penetrate all but heavy steel plate armour; one test used padded "jack" armour, coat of plates, iron and steel mail and steel plate. A needle bodkin penetrated every type, but may not have been able to inflict a lethal injury behind plate.'

That's my point. ( Pun intended.)  Horses and everyone except plate wearers should be vulnerable to (1 or 2) arrow shots to the body in game.  X-bows could penetrate plate, therefore even plate wearers in game should suffer from 1 to 2 x bow shots.
Are you sure you read your own wikipedia page, the information I got from it suggests that the armour penetrating abilities of the bodkin arrow are hugely overrated ingame, let alone the actual stopping power.

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Re: Arrow effectiveness against mail and plate
« Reply #8 on: January 21, 2012, 01:53:24 pm »
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Shields are a natural defense against ranged.  The anti-ranged lobby wants to be shield free.  To do that they need to neuter the archers.

You tell me how I'm supposed to carry a shield with support weapons like Bill, Long Awlpike, Long Spear etc.
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Re: Arrow effectiveness against mail and plate
« Reply #9 on: January 21, 2012, 01:54:39 pm »
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You tell me how I'm supposed to carry a shield with support weapons like Bill, Long Awlpike, Long Spear etc.

Stick with people who are.

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Re: Arrow effectiveness against mail and plate
« Reply #10 on: January 21, 2012, 01:55:01 pm »
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You tell me how I'm supposed to carry a shield with support weapons like Bill, Long Awlpike, Long Spear etc.
put it on your back and walk backwards when you see ranged :3
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Re: Arrow effectiveness against mail and plate
« Reply #11 on: January 21, 2012, 01:56:31 pm »
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Only thing to note : buff armor.

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Re: Arrow effectiveness against mail and plate
« Reply #12 on: January 21, 2012, 02:01:15 pm »
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No. Armor is already OP, don't make it even stronger.

To be good at melee, all you need is shitload of armor and some long polearm like glaive or poleaxe.

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Re: Arrow effectiveness against mail and plate
« Reply #13 on: January 21, 2012, 02:01:20 pm »
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Stick with people who are.

Considering he wants arrows to one-shoot mail to the body it wouldn't really help much, would it now. Pikers would be the only ones shot at before infantry clash, and considering the amount of archers this change would've brought that wouldn't be hard at all :lol:

Just consider how the server would've been IF this had been active. HAs one-shooting infantry with bumpshot, platers ignoring ranged and spamming down the archers they could reach, all other infantry dying to crossfire by one arrow each. Would be good times. :lol:
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Re: Arrow effectiveness against mail and plate
« Reply #14 on: January 21, 2012, 03:57:39 pm »
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turkhammer spewing his retardness all over the forums again nothing to see here.

p.s. bodkins couldnt penetrate plate even at 25 meters shot.from a longbow they mostly bounced off and if.they did punch through they certanly didnt get passed the mail underneath so they.were mostly only a nuisance. they were dangerous only if.hitting through rare gaps in the armor like under the arm, knee etc.
And now he can't play because of "common sense" and he doesn't understand how this common sense works
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