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Should Crushthrough be completely removed?

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Vote No on Crushthrough (petition to remove crushthrough
« on: January 18, 2012, 11:24:45 pm »
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Re: Vote No on Crushthrough (petition to remove crushthrough
« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2012, 11:37:17 pm »
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I hate crushthrough.  Why?  Because I am a shielder.   I can block 4 enemies at once, protect teamies, defend doorways, and delay enemies long enough for my friends to kick ass.  When a maul-wielding crushthrough comes by, all of that changes.  Sometimes, I get afraid.  Even if I am not afraid, there is always sense of panic...a sense of urgency.

That being said, we should keep crushthrough in the game.  Why?  Because it makes me think.  It makes me dodge instead of block.  It makes me focus on footwork.  It makes me learn.  It presents a situation that challenges me, and it is extremely rewarding when I do defeat an enemy class that was meant to be my bane.

Keep crushthrough.  Don't be a wuss. :) 
« Last Edit: January 18, 2012, 11:42:21 pm by Garison »

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Re: Vote No on Crushthrough (petition to remove crushthrough
« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2012, 11:42:23 pm »
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In a game where skill is king, there remains one bane to it all: crushthrough. Why?

1.) it crushes through blocks. unless you have a +3 steel shield and 10 shield, you're gonna get crushthrough spammed.
I thought shield skill doesn't save you from crushthroughs.

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2.) if it crushes through, it knocks down too. combined, this equates to balls.
You make it sound like it's guaranteed while it's something like 40%ish chance (depends on weapon, but a bit under 40% on great maul and 30% on pole version).

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3.) its almost an insta kill most of the time. this is abused constantly on siege.
Seriously? It's high blunt but if you wear armor you'll definitely have a second chance if you don't get knocked down.

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4.) its almost always used by trolls. and trolls are gay.
Also used by some players who excel at using the crappy weapons that have this feature.

Seriously, the weapons with crushthrough are slow as hell and in case of the more common great maul, short as hell. If you're onehand user you should spam them and/or range control - the 1h swords outreach the great maul. If you're a polearm/twohand user you should range control them.

It's a weapon that kills terrible people fast. Sure, I get beaten by maulers when they're actually good players, but average people with mauls are just hillarious to kill.

It's a nice mechanic and as long as the stuff that has it is fairly niche I see no reason to make the combat less diverse.

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Re: Vote No on Crushthrough (petition to remove crushthrough
« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2012, 11:42:34 pm »
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Also shielder here couldn't careless about crushrough weapons they are total shit unless the user stands on some wall defending a small doorway or entrance in siege...

In other words

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Re: Vote No on Crushthrough (petition to remove crushthrough
« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2012, 03:00:58 am »
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The OP's argument seems to be "I want to stand with my huscarl shield in the corner of a tower on a siege server and be immune to all harm for ever". Bah.
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Re: Vote No on Crushthrough (petition to remove crushthrough
« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2012, 03:09:04 am »
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Crush though is fine, for taking out turtles and other such things.

Stop asking for nerfs.
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Re: Vote No on Crushthrough (petition to remove crushthrough
« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2012, 05:14:24 am »
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How to beat crushthrough:

1.) Decent footwork
2.) LMB
3.) More LMB

That's really all it takes. If you hesitate, feint, hold a swing, or try to block you're going down.

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Re: Vote No on Crushthrough (petition to remove crushthrough
« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2012, 09:20:54 am »
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In a game where skill is king

Stopped reading at this point.

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Re: Vote No on Crushthrough (petition to remove crushthrough
« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2012, 09:30:41 am »
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I personally dislike Crushthrough but would not have it removed.

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Re: Vote No on Crushthrough (petition to remove crushthrough
« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2012, 09:55:07 am »
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Stupid shielders...    No crush trough = no shields , Remove them both.
« Last Edit: January 19, 2012, 03:18:50 pm by joosto »
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Re: Vote No on Crushthrough (petition to remove crushthrough
« Reply #10 on: January 19, 2012, 10:00:24 am »
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BUFF POOR SHIELDERS!  :mrgreen:
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Re: Vote No on Crushthrough (petition to remove crushthrough
« Reply #11 on: January 19, 2012, 03:16:36 pm »
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Yeah, i am for keeping the crushthrough, but only for polearms (slim sticks) and 2hand (just some light piece of metal).
If a maul hits a shield (an heavy protection of layered wood and steel reinforcements) it should bounce off and kill the attacker.

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Re: Vote No on Crushthrough (petition to remove crushthrough
« Reply #12 on: January 19, 2012, 03:21:31 pm »
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Yeah, i am for keeping the crushthrough, but only for polearms (slim sticks) and 2hand (just some light piece of metal).
If a maul hits a shield (an heavy protection of layered wood and steel reinforcements) it should bounce off and kill the attacker.
Or then the maul would break your  wooden shield or  knock you down  = dead after next hit) and kill you, at least break some bones , and if we are speaking about steel shields you just can't block that kinda force with your arm and shield.
« Last Edit: January 19, 2012, 03:23:14 pm by joosto »
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Re: Vote No on Crushthrough (petition to remove crushthrough
« Reply #13 on: January 19, 2012, 03:23:05 pm »
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Crushthrough is fine right it is now.

If you see someone engaging with a fat hammer, use footwork... Well, footwork is something you should use anyway.
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Re: Vote No on Crushthrough (petition to remove crushthrough
« Reply #14 on: January 19, 2012, 03:24:22 pm »
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Somebody is buttmad he got CT'ed? But all jokes aside, CT weapons are really slow and they got the unbalance tag making them not only slow to swing but to block too! Instead of playing defensivly like you do normally as shielder, be more aggressive, keep your distance and dont wait for him to hit you before attacking! Also shield skill has nothing to do with the chance of a CT to happen, only the str/powerstrike (damage) and the weight of the CT weapon vs weight of the shield/weapon used to block affect the chance of a CT to occur on an overhead.

Beside, if they remove CT from maul, mallet and great maul, these weapon will become useless... So a big NO, keep crushtrough(CT)!