Let's take a moment and LOL together.

[Oberyn]

But but but Nocti is the ultimate anticheater crusader Meow! He didnt even keep the stuff in strat he gained by the bug! Oh wait...

Well, if the bug was planned and orchestrated by Noc, you would have a point, since it would be exploiting. Are you suggesting the multiaccounting and the QML abuse and 3 month old 40 gen characters are just random bugs?

[Camaris]

Long life to the investigation!

[Fluffy_Muffin]

What i am trying to say is if you think abusing the system to get an advantage isnt acceptable you shouldnt do it yourself

Edit: actualy i got a better idea, lets do a simple metaphore with a gun and shooting someone (and by no means am i saying that cheaing/bug abusing is as severe or as simple as this, its just a metaphore)

Scenario 1:
John wakes up one day and says: im gonna kill someone
He goes to gun shop and buys a gun
He goes over to Jakes house and shoot him
Jake dies.

Scenatio 2:
John is walking on the street minding his own buisness.
John finds a gun in the bush and picks it up.
Instead of going: hey this is dangerous i should probably get rid of it, he sees Jake and shoots him
Jake dies.

Conclusion: John shot Jake. Jake is dead wheater John planned it or not. Only difference being in scenatio 1: John bought a gun and in scenario 2 John stumbled upon a gun

[Noctivagant]

That is not exactly true, he wanted to use that account until i checked the char and saw it was Level34 Gen40, after that we launched an investigation and had all accounts involved banned.

He was obviously not involved in the exploiting himself.
Just to make sure it doesn't sound like that.

I wanted to use the account before you told me it was gen40 lets make it clear, you had access to it 1 sec after I did and the only reason you guys knew about it because I asked the rules about it before I could get it. If I was planning to cheat I wouldn't ask 3 developers before I got it.

Btw why nobody is saying anything about multi accounts, I have 20 premade replies, cmon guys.

[Xant]

It's all in the game, yo.

[Oberyn]

What i am trying to say is if you think abusing the system to get an advantage isnt acceptable you shouldnt do it yourself

Edit: actualy i got a better idea, lets do a simple metaphore with a gun and shooting someone (and by no means am i saying that cheaing/bug abusing is as severe as this, its just a metaphore)

Scenario 1:
John wakes up one day and says: im gonna kill someone
He goes to gun shop and buys a gun
He goes over to Jakes house and shoot him
Jake dies.

Scenatio 2:
John is walking on the street minding his own buisness.
John finds a gun in the bush and picks it up.
Instead of going: hey this is dangerous i should probably get rid of it, he sees Jake and shoots him
Jake dies.

Conclusion: John shot Jake. Jake is dead wheater John planned it or not.

Yes, I'm sure losing part of the massive arsenal they cheated for themselves set back DRZ very badly. All that "hard work" and "organisation" for naught. Well, no worries, their army of multiaccount clones slaving away in their dungeons probably made up for it.

[Noctivagant]

But but but Nocti is the ultimate anticheater crusader Meow! He didnt even keep the stuff in strat he gained by the bug! Oh wait...

You are not well informed let me tell you,

I contacted Nebun to decide what to do with the equipment while I was checking battle details because I was away that weekend. (It was mentioned that I went to a concert in Germany)
Then I figured out some fishy stuff and I realized people who were doing seriously fucked up things were "ordering" me to make honest decisions Please check Druzhina hit list on Xmas thread you'll see in my replies then I mentioned it couple of times actually at least I gave it signs.

Then I decided that I'm not taking shit from bunch of cheating guys and I raised the flag of "FUCK OFF"

What If it did not happen, nobody were doing something fishy and bug happened?

I cannot give you anything but my word but I would sell the equipment.

When I did this I've been lectured by Harpag, Vovka ( Hi dethdealer and fightfire) and Nebun (hows your brother Rohmir doing?) about honesty. I couldn't talk about it openly due I was waiting developers to confirm, which never happened due their busy schedule (no sarcasm or quirkiness intended)

[Noctivagant]

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Things that I think its wrong :

Current Strategus is still based on Strat 1 :

The numbers on the first Strategus were different, diplomacy was different too.
There are absolutely no rules about diplomacy. Factions can easily make peace with surrounding factions and empty their whole area without any threat.
There are absolutely no rules about production. Any inactive player can check the browser once in couple of days (mentioned above) and any war can be won with a roster formed up by players from an another faction.
A faction can make peace with multiple factions and leave enemy faction roster empty, 500 tickets with 51 players can easily win against 5000 with 15 players.
There are no item/class restrictions.  30 archers with in total 30 bows will dominate the battle field since they can pick up stuff from the ground or full roster of cavalry units can capture the spawns in a field battle in matter of few minutes.
List goes on and on....

Bugs :

• Defender team gets kicked out from server in every minute
• AI buys silly equipment for Castles and Towns
• Its possible to prevent a fief from being attacked
• Battle time is too short for big armies
• Strange item transfer bug : player receives 4 million items = 2 billion (or above) gold

Exploits :

• Multi accounting : I gave a long list of accounts to devs more than a month ago, its never been taken care of. List contains more than 60 accounts.
  It allows some players to join opposite site to lose on purpose or 1 person controls several armies and massive production
• QML abuse for leveling up and getting "chadz message" quicker : 4x QML = x5 (Reported)
• QML abuse for producing mass amount of masterworks (Reported)
• Selling cRPG items for IRL money
  http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Frusmnb.ru%2Findex.php%3Ftopic%3D13267.0&act=url
  http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Frusmnb.ru%2Findex.php%3Ftopic%3D10658.0&act=url
• Since Strategus is mostly web based anyone can join the game from different platforms and cheat. I can connect with my internet IP plus 3G phone right at the same time or Example : there is a considerable amount of World of tanks players in our TS server and I know these guys IRL. I can provide them keys can they can give me huge numbers of troops every once in a while

Lets make few things clear

I appreciate devs effort to make a free mod for people and cRPG is the best mod out there. I absolutely understand you are busy fixing bugs and developing new things. I'm aware that this mod will always stay in a beta state. But I would appreciate if you would listen the problems of the large part of the community.

I'm not against a nation but if most of the exploits coming from a specific nation I cannot ignore it and call it "some people" I have reported even my own allies in the past.

I'm only writing this thing because I'm concerned, I love this mod and its the second online game that I spent that much time playing it (after Ultima Online) and I'll do anything in my power to prevent corruption even if it means turning the game hell for myself and my clan this was my diplomacy since the very start.

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I'm flattered thank you,

You call me sociopath others call me "determined".  Point is Harpag I'm sociopath or not (I might be), it doesn't change the fact that these people are cheating and these two links is NOTHING compared to what I gave to the developers. I'm telling it here, I gave list of multi-accounts like 1 guy owning 7-8 alt characters. Its not just one or two people you know, there are many.

I kept battle ID's and compared them to each other. You don't need to be a rocket scientist to figure this one out.

For example : Druzhina_Antip

http://www.c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesupcoming#!?page=battleroster&id=927 Antrit is Antip
http://www.c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesupcoming#!?page=battleroster&id=962 Artrit is also Antip
http://www.c-rpg.net/index.php?page=battlesupcoming#!?page=battleroster&id=1047 Whenever you see Antip, you never see the other two

EDIT : change the last digits of battle ids to 927, 962, 1047

Another example : STR_Han_Hanich : says that Dubiena is his wife. Very well, Kittiya is Gingers wife this is legit. Then who the hell is Dubina and what the hell he was doing on defenders side when STR attacked a castle?

I have a huge list of these things you know. Denying it only makes it worse.

let me tell you what is sick :

5 clans with obviously superior numbers, still need to cheat to take down 1 small clan with 2 small allies.

Cheers

EDIT : Since we started


Druzhina_Kondor , Druzhina_Grif, Druzhina_Berkyt

All 3 named after bird names in Russian, never seen together in 1 battle.

One last edit : Since you accused me for doing this for my own personal gain.

I reported myself when I had my hands on over 2 billion gold. UIF vs Merc. battle was still going on that time. Kapikulu asked me and I reported that to chadz (instantly) myself.

Btw since flame wars will keep going I'll keep quoting myself about UIF stuff so people can read it. Since I'm a very intelligent sociopath thats what I should do.

[Fluffy_Muffin]

So to put it simple you punished the abusers by abusing them. Maybe in affect, maybe less so. But no matter what you say Jake is dead and you cant use the holier than thou attitude now...

[Oberyn]

Again, if Noc had deliberately planned the bug himself, with the intent of stealing the equiment and troops, your analogy would make sense. INTENT TO CHEAT here would mean he was setting out to kill the other guy no matter what, in your stupid analogy. I can make ridiculous analogies that support my bias if you like? Here: A more accurate analogy would be a rape victim trying to defend herself by grabbing her assailant's knife and stabbing him.

[Tot.]

People arguing over the internet are so exciting.

[Fluffy_Muffin]

Ill edit your analogie a bit if you dont mind. An assiailant tries to rape the victim but the victim rapes him instead. They are both the rapist and the victim...

[Oberyn]

It's almost as exciting as cheating on a multiplayer internet game. Really going to enjoy the arguing on the forums even more once the devs get around to investigating this bullshit.

[Harpag]

No This is a job for real "detective" from Devs team, and not for people with a double morality, or for fundamentalists. When you do not have professional tools, then it may be empty accusations. It can be very unfair for honest people. He can not be sure. This is a type of lynching. Therefore, I repeat once again - this is nasty attitude and I do not change my opinion.

[Oberyn]

Ill edit your analogie a bit if you dont mind. An assiailant tries to rape the victim but the victim rapes him instead. They are both the rapist and the victim...

No, that's because you're trying to equate a clan who's policy is straight up exploiting everything they possibly can and one guy refusing to give up (cheated) equipment due to a bug caused by bad code. Let's finetune the analogy even more then. It's a serial rapist, who's already claimed dozens of victims, who ends up getting raped by one of his victims. Then goes to the police, and tries to bring the girl who raped him on trial, and has the nerve to throw around words like "honesty" and "honor".