The State of Hoplites

[Joker86]

I think too that none of the spear class weapons is OP, not even the pikes.

Yes, fighting against someone who is supported by a pikeman is a pain in the ass, but so is if the supporter has any other weapon, e.g. a poleaxe, a two handed sword or even 1hd+shield. I say a pikeman is not a better support than a two hander is, because latter is also capable of swings and thus he can attack in situation where the pike can't. And in addition to this the 2hd is the more versatile class in general.

Of course, there are very capable players with pikes and spears, but ask yourself if they would be less successfull with a two handed weapon or sword and shield. WIth the same amount of dedication and skill I would say: no. If anything, better.

You can also be sure that if you slightly buff hoplites/pikemen so that their numbers increase a little bit, people will get used to fighting them which will again make the life of a spearman more difficult. I guess a good amount of kills spearmen of any kind score is because players underestimate them and think they would be an easy target where you only need to downblock and then outspam them.

[Dezilagel]

Nah, that's what stupid people do.

Good people recognize the 0.1% of pikemen/hoplites who actually know how to play the class and refrain from spamming them.

But bad hoplites/pikemen are just begging to get spammed.

[Teeth]

Of course, there are very capable players with pikes and spears, but ask yourself if they would be less successfull with a two handed weapon or sword and shield. WIth the same amount of dedication and skill I would say: no. If anything, better.

I am better with an unloomed ashwood pike (without shield) than I was with a MW German Greatsword or a MW German Poleaxe.

[Zerran]

Pikemen, more than any other class, demand that their opponent recognize how skilled they are with it. Fighting a shitty pikeman is a completely different game from fighting a good one. Shitty ones, just spam them and they will die very rapidly. Good ones, play defensively or you won't last long.

[Joker86]

I am better with an unloomed ashwood pike (without shield) than I was with a MW German Greatsword or a MW German Poleaxe.

Well, in your case I would guess it's because you started with greatsword, then poleaxe and ended up with pike, and during all this time you made "general" experience in fighting and especially blocking, all those things and aspects those weapons have in common, and that's why you are best with pike atm, because it's the weapon you use during the peak of your skills. If you would go back to one of the previous weapons, I bet you would be better than you were before, and most likely you will even score more kills than with pikes.

But of course, it's only an assumption 

[SoA_Sir_ODHarry]

leave Hoplites how they is !!!

[Nagasoup]

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ashwood got nerfed just as I ask for no nerf. FML 

[Kreczor]

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ashwood got nerfed just as I ask for no nerf. FML 

What nerf was just applied?

[Nagasoup]

What nerf was just applied?

less damage and increased price

[Joker86]

1 point less damage, but more severe is an increase of item cost. 

Like the spear weapons would be a problem in this mod 

[Kreczor]

1 point less damage, but more severe is an increase of item cost. 

Like the spear weapons would be a problem in this mod 

Ugh, I had no problem with the price of the weapon (Still don't) but a nerf? Really? As if hoplites need to be a smaller sized class?

Does this rank a different weapon as #1 for damage or does the ashwood still stand out?

[Nagasoup]

Ugh, I had no problem with the price of the weapon (Still don't) but a nerf? Really? As if hoplites need to be a smaller sized class?

Does this rank a different weapon as #1 for damage or does the ashwood still stand out?

double sided lance has highest damage for hoplite i think

[Teeth]

1 point less damage, but more severe is an increase of item cost. 

Like the spear weapons would be a problem in this mod 

If picking an unloomed 4.6k weapon is a better choice than a MW 15k weapon for certain players it kinda was a problem. This nerf adressed it nicely, I will still use it though, don't give a shit about the price, and now it has less damage I'll just have to loom it.

[Teeth]

Me have MW and teeth not hehehehe

It's nerfed, its weak and expensive now. Trade it with me for the obviously superior German Poleaxe!

[Joker86]

If picking an unloomed 4.6k weapon is a better choice than a MW 15k weapon for certain players it kinda was a problem. This nerf adressed it nicely, I will still use it though, don't give a shit about the price, and now it has less damage I'll just have to loom it.

Which scenario are you describing there?

Because usually players pick different weapon classes because of personal preferences, and not because of the cost-benefit-ratio. I don't know which 15k MW weapon you are talking about, but it must be one of those 2hd sword/halberd - weapons. And I don't think many people will say "Hey! I will go hoplite instead of 2hd, because ashwood pike is so cheap!". I think money is a really low motivation factor.

We saw this concerning bows. Let's be honest, in almost every last patch archers got nerfed down more and more, and still we have too many of them. (Let's see what the missing ladders change). It's because apparently most archers simply wanted to play an archer in this game, and that's what they do regardless to any nerf or other penalty.