Crossbows vs Shields & Shield skill

[Ujin]

I don't think it's fair that a mw arbalest can shoot through a mw heavy norman shield, plain and simple.

I think that crossbows of any sort shouldn't be able to penetrate through shields if :

a.) Opponents shield is heavier than 6-6.5 weight

b.) Opponents shield skill is 5 and higher

c.) a combination of both points above


Overall i like the idea of crossbows being able to shoot through shields, it adds variety and depth to the game more or less, but i think it should be seriously balanced. This tweak will also benefit the ballance of sword&board classes, because currently the majority of shielders prefer to use lighter shields (elite cavalry, knightly kite/heater shields). This change would make heavy shields a more viable option.

Your thoughts ?

[Gurnisson]

No, crossbows doesn't need yet another nerf. Also, you're talking about the light shields with high armour? You do know that those are the ones xbows almost never shoot through. I don't think I ever shot through any of the knightly shields with MW Arbalest and MW Steel Bolts when I was dedicated xbowman. I shot over or under some of them, because some guys used them with 5 shield skill, but not through them. Any shield with less body armour than Huscarl is arbalest prey though.

Want to be protected from bolts? Get a shield with high body armour.

[Dalhi]

I'm pretty sure that xbow penetration depends on shield body armor, the higher armor the lower chance that the bolt will go through. Basically what Gurni said.

[Ujin]

No, crossbows doesn't need yet another nerf. Also, you're talking about the light shields with high armour? You do know that those are the ones xbows almost never shoot through. I don't think I ever shot through any of the knightly shields with MW Arbalest and MW Steel Bolts when I was dedicated xbowman. I shot over or under some of them, because some guys used them with 5 shield skill, but not through them. Any shield with less body armour than Huscarl is arbalest prey though.

Want to be protected from bolts? Get a shield with high body armour.

Well, yet another not-really-hidden encouragement to use round shields (plate covered, huscarl in this case)  then =/.

[Siiem]

I think 19 armour is the point where xbow bolts won't shoot through shield. Anyway shield speed > shield hp.

[Xant]

Crossbows can shoot through huscarl and elite cav. Siiem is wrong. (And no one was talking about shield HP but shield armor, nooblet)

[Arrowblood]

i saw this shot from dave into jackies head... it was unrealistic.

[Ujin]

Also, you're talking about the light shields with high armour? You do know that those are the ones xbows almost never shoot through.

What i meant was people prefer to use lighter shields that have more speed rating . If heavier (weight-wise) shields were harder to penetrate by a xbow , it would make more people think of taking a heavier shield instead.

[Gurnisson]

Oh, sorry, I misunderstood.

[CrazyCracka420]

I don't know what the majority of the crossbows my shield is hit with are using, I don't think it's arbalests (due to the faster reload speeds I see).  But I don't think I've ever once had a crossbow shoot through my elite cavalry shield, or my knightly heater shield.  That was with 4 shield skill, and now I have 6.

IF you were going to make that change, I think it should be only for shields that are over 7.5 weight, so that it only made 2 slot shields more viable.

[Gnjus]

I think the way you hold your shield should also make some difference: if you raise it high enough to cover your face then there's no way a bolt should be able to penetrate it, no matter which shield and how many shield skill you have. I'm not 100% sure about it but i think it already DOES matter, since most of the people out there don't know how to hold a shield, just look at the shield walls: they stand with their shield lowered and then wonder how the hell do they (and the people behind them) get headshot all the time.

[Gomer]

I don't think it's fair I shoot a buckler in the face and it get's sucked in. I don't think you understand I can't shoot through a MW Norman and I have a MW Arbalest. I don't think that the suction of a shield is fair at all. BULL I SHOOT YOU IN THE FACE and yet there's a big invisible wall infront of you.....  Can't even shoot you'r foot. So dumb and unfair on the PEW side (xbow are only one PEW)

[Old_Sir_Agor]

no
1-not much guys who use arbalest
2-many shields never allow bolt come thru
3-only retards spend bolt and time for shooting shielders in the shield,only when they are in danger or last.

[Gomer]

no
1-not much guys who use arbalest
2-many shields never allow bolt come thru
3-only retards spend bolt and time for shooting shielders in the shield,only when they are in danger or last.

I would shoot them only if I know my bolt with penetrate. There are a select few people I know use a low Shield str build(I mean they carry shitty shields.

[Fasader]

IIRC It has nothing to do with shield skill, just the shield's resistance(body_armor) stat.