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Re: A Message to the Citizens of the United States of America
« Reply #90 on: January 15, 2012, 09:12:57 pm »
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Why Norway isn't a democracy according to Fox News

Fox News,  :lol:

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Re: A Message to the Citizens of the United States of America
« Reply #91 on: January 15, 2012, 09:13:43 pm »
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 :lol:

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Re: A Message to the Citizens of the United States of America
« Reply #92 on: January 15, 2012, 09:58:19 pm »
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Already posted this in the Scandi subforum but it fits in here perfectly:

Why Norway isn't a democracy according to Fox News
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EX3km583Dw&list=FLck2ToW6_zytMkNacEfu4VQ&index=4&feature=plpp_video

Of course it can't be democracy, it's a socialist country.

According to 'mericans, only countries who fully adopt capitalism are democratic countries lols

For instance, Yugoslavia was a lot better country than this pos of a country I'm living in today. But the problem with Yugoslavia was socialism and strong connections with USSR which in typical American mind screams communism which is invented by satan etc.

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And they still think that, even in this age where the biggest and fastest growing world economy and manufacturer of almost everything, China, is a communist country.

Liberal capitalism in my country means corruption and stealing from common people. Most serbian politicians are puppets who were trained in some western country to steal as much as they can from the people who elected them. Fuck that.

Edit: I mean just look how twisted their government is. Names of their military interventions in the past 20 years:

Operation Just Cause
Operation Provide Comfort
Operation Allied Force (survived this shit)
Operation Enduring Freedom
Operation Iraqi Freedom
Operation New Dawn
Operation Odyssey Dawn

upcoming

Operation Freedom for Iran :rolleyes:

They bring war and more destruction to the foreign countries and they call it fancy names, like they are freaking Santa Claus coming to give candies to kids or Jesus who's on a healing mission...

And on top of that they have a muslim president, Hussein Barack Obama :mrgreen:

Oh yeah, one last thing. Majority of educated Americans are in fact coming from India. Guess that inbreeding doesn't work as they expected  :lol:
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Re: A Message to the Citizens of the United States of America
« Reply #93 on: January 16, 2012, 08:11:07 pm »
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Yeah Yugoslavia was pretty fucking great, if you were a Serb. Let me guess. You're Serbian yes?
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Re: A Message to the Citizens of the United States of America
« Reply #94 on: January 16, 2012, 09:43:58 pm »
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Re: A Message to the Citizens of the United States of America
« Reply #95 on: January 16, 2012, 10:42:12 pm »
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Re: A Message to the Citizens of the United States of America
« Reply #96 on: January 16, 2012, 10:45:47 pm »
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Re: A Message to the Citizens of the United States of America
« Reply #97 on: January 17, 2012, 12:11:42 am »
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Yeah Yugoslavia was pretty fucking great, if you were a Serb. Let me guess. You're Serbian yes?

1) Yugoslavia was pretty great for all common people of that country. Except maybe Slovenians.

2) I'm a Yugoslavian refugee and will stay that forever. Also concept of nationality is foreign to me. I will say that I'm Serbian under certain circumstances but I don't really believe in it. Neither I wouldn't classify myself as Bosnian (although I'm born there) nor part Croatian or part Jewish.

However I have Serbian citizenship but I have option to obtain Bosnian and Croatian citizenship as well.

Since I live in Serbia and share faith, good and bad with people of mostly Serbian nationality, at this moment I would call myself Serbian. But if I migrate somewhere else and live there for longer period of time I would call consider myself citizen of that country and would adopt their nationality. Also if humanity find a way to colonize some planets near us and I somehow end up there, I wouldn't consider myself citizen of the planet Earth anymore. You get my drift?

Being semi-pacifist, I believe that concept of nationalities and states is something very primitive that belongs to the past. I don't think that various traditions and languages should perish, I think we should find a way to keep all that cultural treasure because differences are what makes life good. But yes, I'm advocating for globalization.

Now you know something about me, next time better don't ask me such questions if you won't to avoid reading posts like this one :mrgreen:

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Re: A Message to the Citizens of the United States of America
« Reply #98 on: January 17, 2012, 12:45:01 am »
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Being semi-pacifist, I believe that concept of nationalities and states is something very primitive that belongs to the past. I don't think that various traditions and languages should perish, I think we should find a way to keep all that cultural treasure because differences are what makes life good. But yes, I'm advocating for globalization.

Then I really wonder how you can hate 'mericans that genuinely, and dismiss both democracy and freedom. Democracy comes with laws. If the laws aren't in essence based on the opinion of the population and correctly applicated (corruption fighted), then it's not really a democracy (just like Lybia pretended to be one when I think we all know it wasn't). Capitalism is the economic model that can actually sustain a democracy, given that anything else leads to utter failure. There are different degrees of capitalism and this is were the interesting balance is, between merit and solidarity. What are we trying to acheive ? That's the real question.


The whole warmongering craze is a completely other thing, basically going against (true, not state driven) capitalism. But really, you should watch this BBC series about it : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vt-FyuuWlWQ

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Re: A Message to the Citizens of the United States of America
« Reply #99 on: January 17, 2012, 01:08:28 pm »
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Huntsman pulled out and is now supporting Mitt Romney, so people who supported him look quite foolish now.

Anyone who think Romney will save businesses and create jobs is per definition ignorant, he does what every other major corporation does, buys a company that runs fine, sells/fires everything that isn't melted to the floor, and moves it to China (or where ever in that Region it is cheapest). China produces most of what we use, from all peoples precious iPhones, to consoles and what not. They do that in factory complexes that are basically HELL, the suicide rate is tremendously high among factory workers in China plus their will to live is at an all time lowest, it is so horrible there that corporations are spending money trying to prevent the suicides, but not in a 'good way' by for example increasing the work environment and atmosphere so everyone can have a better life and work, no, they do it by just making sure the workers can't kill themselves, e.g. forcefully. That's the Western future for most common folk (unskilled workers) if people don't wake up, because there's not enough jobs in the technology sector to pick up the slack from every other field.



I bet 99.9% of the people here supporting Mitt or other candidates than Ron Paul have never traveled the World, probably haven't even dared to set a foot in the Middle East because it is oh so dangerous, too many "bubble children" in this World.

The World isn't dangerous, people are people everywhere (except those New Guinea cannibals :P).

Images you would never see on MSM from Iran.

There's lots more from ACTUAL Iran people should see for themselves since it is nowhere near the depiction given in the general media. I'm not saying their government and elements within it isn't dangerous, yes they are, but it is not like governments or lobbyists are idiots in any way, money controls which means some of the best minds are always bought. You can make an intelligent and profound argument for any subject if you withhold exact information and that is basically what is being done in general.

The Vietnam war effectively ended the way journalists could report from the field, because when people saw the actual images of war, what war really is, the general public will never support it, as seen with the Vietnam war. Therefore, ever since, all footage from wars have been approved already by the military, plus as everyone should have noticed, there is never a journalist actually within the population in a war, they're always with OUR soldiers now. The few times that journalists have actually tried to stay with the civilian population in a war situation to report the truth they've been deliberately targeted.

Thank god we have the Internet and cellphone cameras today or we would be completely screwed.



Watch the documentary ENEMY IMAGE (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0485898/) - available online here.

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When Baghdad exploded under bombs, television chose to bring us fireworks. But does this distant and spectacular image tell us what is really happening on the ground, how it feels or what it means? Television has the means to take us anywhere and show us anything. It can bring us the physical experience of war with all its’ horrors, like no other medium, and yet the image of American war on television is disembodied, bloodless, and unreal. The invasion of Iraq was the most closely documented war ever fought. Lasting only 800 hours, it produced 20,000 hours of video, but those images were tightly controlled, producing a monolithic view of combat sanitized and controlled by the Pentagon.

Enemy Image traces the ways us television has covered war, starting with Vietnam in the 1960s and shows how the military has devised ever-improving means of ensuring the American public never again has the real face of combat beamed directly into their living rooms. Comparing footage of Vietnam, including rarely-seen material shot in North Vietnam, to coverage of Iraq and using extensive interviews with veteran war correspondents and news anchors, Mark Daniels demonstrates how television that once revealed the truth is now increasingly used to hide it.

What's dangerous is corporations and governments not respecting the constitutions of their countries - which basically means EVERY single country in the World today.
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Re: A Message to the Citizens of the United States of America
« Reply #100 on: January 17, 2012, 06:13:58 pm »
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Then I really wonder how you can hate 'mericans that genuinely, and dismiss both democracy and freedom. Democracy comes with laws. If the laws aren't in essence based on the opinion of the population and correctly applicated (corruption fighted), then it's not really a democracy (just like Lybia pretended to be one when I think we all know it wasn't). Capitalism is the economic model that can actually sustain a democracy, given that anything else leads to utter failure. There are different degrees of capitalism and this is were the interesting balance is, between merit and solidarity. What are we trying to acheive ? That's the real question.


The whole warmongering craze is a completely other thing, basically going against (true, not state driven) capitalism. But really, you should watch this BBC series about it : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vt-FyuuWlWQ

I don't hate anyone, especially not Americans. I'm just criticizing their government. Unlike many people I don't believe that in this age, people can change things on elections. They can vote for any of those guys and things will still move in the same direction.

And I disagree about capitalism. First thing, as you've probably notices I'm an idealist. And second, for me capitalism is the embodiment of evolution. I do believe in evolution theory but I don't like it. It's cruel, and since we humans praise our humanity we should do things differently. No killings, no torture, just creation and love all around us.

If you don't like someone just ignore him, no need for hatred. That's my motto.

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Re: A Message to the Citizens of the United States of America
« Reply #101 on: January 17, 2012, 10:32:06 pm »
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People should really watch Enemy Image, it's a good documentary.
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Re: A Message to the Citizens of the United States of America
« Reply #102 on: January 17, 2012, 11:03:07 pm »
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Sounds boring.
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Re: A Message to the Citizens of the United States of America
« Reply #103 on: January 18, 2012, 12:15:08 am »
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Sounds boring.

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Re: A Message to the Citizens of the United States of America
« Reply #104 on: January 19, 2012, 07:00:09 pm »
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American media vs Ron Paul :

Media - ok ,here's the question , do you love America? THEN Y U NO WANNA ATTACK OTHER COUNTRIES, THEY"RE ALL EVIL AND TERRORISTS!?

R.P. - *starts speaking the truth and things that make sence*

Media - *UUUH OOHHH OH NOO MY EARS ! This guy is TOO DAMN RIGHT ! Quickly, i gotta interrupt him or call him a racist or just do SOMETHING before i lose my paycheck !*...... 9/11 !!!!!


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