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Re: A Message for the Citizens of the United States of America
« Reply #15 on: January 12, 2012, 05:11:24 am »
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Apple iPhones replaced God so we're still pretty much fucked anyway.
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Re: A Message for the Citizens of the United States of America
« Reply #16 on: January 12, 2012, 05:16:26 am »
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifJG_oFFDK0



As much as i don't like getting involved in such delicate conversations on the web, here's my 2 cents .

I don't know who this man is sponsored by and what forces stand behind him, but imho, you either play this wild card or the US (and , unfortunately, the rest of the destabilized world that follows) will continue going the direction none of us would probably like.

Great video. Ron Paul is indeed a courageous man, if the World should be so lucky to have him as the head of the United States I sincerely hope and pray he wont get the Kennedy treatment.
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Re: A Message for the Citizens of the United States of America
« Reply #17 on: January 12, 2012, 06:10:53 am »
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He won't be elected, he's too reasonable.

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Re: A Message for the Citizens of the United States of America
« Reply #18 on: January 12, 2012, 11:03:40 am »
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He won't be elected, he's too reasonable.

Yeah sure if you consider reason going to pre WWII style isolationism, dropping trade agreements and hoping someone like, oh, say China doesn't snatch them up instantly is reasonable.

Fellow Americans, you don't want to know what happens when america is no longer a superpower, nor do you want to see what happens when we don't have strong trade. Isolationism is a death sentence in this day and age.

He's an honest guy and makes a good congressman, but i'd never want to see him in the presidency. Positive traits do not outweigh his absolutely ruinous platform.

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Re: A Message to the Citizens of the United States of America
« Reply #19 on: January 12, 2012, 11:22:42 am »
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I don't get how anyone can take this guy seriously. He's every bit as much a fundamentalist, ideological right-wing nutjob as the rest of them, the difference is that he's much more of an extreme libertarian.

Maybe I'm wrong, but my impression is that you've seen him say a few things that sound good to you and haven't bothered checking up on the rest.
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Re: A Message to the Citizens of the United States of America
« Reply #20 on: January 12, 2012, 12:59:48 pm »
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I don't get how anyone can take this guy seriously. He's every bit as much a fundamentalist, ideological right-wing nutjob as the rest of them, the difference is that he's much more of an extreme libertarian.

Maybe I'm wrong, but my impression is that you've seen him say a few things that sound good to you and haven't bothered checking up on the rest.
This.
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Re: A Message to the Citizens of the United States of America
« Reply #21 on: January 12, 2012, 02:04:28 pm »
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Maybe I'm wrong, but my impression is that you've seen him say a few things that sound good to you and haven't bothered checking up on the rest.
Isn't that exactly how people voted for Bush Jr. and Obama ?

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Re: A Message to the Citizens of the United States of America
« Reply #22 on: January 12, 2012, 02:34:56 pm »
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Paul is the only non-dress-up-doll who actually knows wtf he's talking about. He's the only logical candidate. That is exactly why he WILL NOT win the election.
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Re: A Message to the Citizens of the United States of America
« Reply #23 on: January 12, 2012, 02:39:00 pm »
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I don't get how anyone can take this guy seriously. He's every bit as much a fundamentalist, ideological right-wing nutjob as the rest of them, the difference is that he's much more of an extreme libertarian.

Maybe I'm wrong, but my impression is that you've seen him say a few things that sound good to you and haven't bothered checking up on the rest.

I like how the mainstream media spins that whole "libertarian extremist" thing on him and everyone chews it up. It's pretty comical. He's a true conservative. An old guard republican. Would you call Ronald Reagan a fundamentalist libertarian? Go back a half century and Republicans then would be calling the current Republican agenda "liberal-YMCA." Now because Paul is the only one who stayed true to conservatism as it was he's a "fundamentalist libertarian" LOL.

The federal government has gotten way too bloated and overbearing. We need to bring it back down to the essentials before building it back up.
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Re: A Message for the Citizens of the United States of America
« Reply #24 on: January 12, 2012, 05:17:32 pm »
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Yeah sure if you consider reason going to pre WWII style isolationism, dropping trade agreements and hoping someone like, oh, say China doesn't snatch them up instantly is reasonable.

Fellow Americans, you don't want to know what happens when america is no longer a superpower, nor do you want to see what happens when we don't have strong trade. Isolationism is a death sentence in this day and age.

He's an honest guy and makes a good congressman, but i'd never want to see him in the presidency. Positive traits do not outweigh his absolutely ruinous platform.

He is all about the free market doing its job, which is exactly the opposite of what you think his economic opinions are all about.

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Re: A Message to the Citizens of the United States of America
« Reply #25 on: January 12, 2012, 06:51:51 pm »
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I was half-hoping this would be the generation that just said "fuck it" to the elections and somehow decided to elect a leader via youtube, facebook or some other social media site.
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Re: A Message to the Citizens of the United States of America
« Reply #26 on: January 12, 2012, 07:56:25 pm »
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Mitt Romney dodged the Vietnam draft (he was a "Mormon missionary") but has been photographed protesting FOR the Vietnam draft.  That's the definition of a chickenhawk.  Fuck him, he's a despicable human being.

That being said, most Democrats and Republicans are virtually the same when it comes to fiscal policies.  They are corporate whores who vote against the 99% of the populations interests.  They allow tax loopholes, and they cater to the wealthy. 

The only reason you have such a huge divide among the 99% of the population has to do with the social issues.  But in reality these are just the way the ruling class is able to divide and conquer the majority of the population.

I really dislike some of Ron Paul's social policies (in regards to women's rights especially), but he honestly is the best candidate for the job.  And I like the fact that he says he's personally against women getting abortions, but recognizes that it's not his right to step in and decide what other people can do with their body.  +1 for him.

The American election system is a huge problem.  Until that is fixed, the whole system will remain fucked.  Politicians are forced to make corporations happy to get the corporate money, but they need to dangle the social issues in front of the voters to get the votes they need to get into office.  Not to mention the fact that they have to campaign for about 1/4 of the time they are elected, and instead of staying up to date and very informed on topics, they are more focused on getting re-elected.

And once we fix the election system, we need to fix the pork-barrel spending.  It needs to be one bill, one issue.  You shouldn't be able to tack on millions of dollars for a city park to a health care bill (let alone tack it on in secret).
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Re: A Message to the Citizens of the United States of America
« Reply #27 on: January 12, 2012, 08:42:26 pm »
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The American election system is a huge problem.  Until that is fixed, the whole system will remain fucked.  Politicians are forced to make corporations happy to get the corporate money, but they need to dangle the social issues in front of the voters to get the votes they need to get into office. 

Corporations are people is the big issue here - that and your weird idea to create superpacs that allows anonymous contributions to campaigners.

Regarding Ron Paul, here's a quick quote from an old Disposible Heroes of Hiphopricy song that explains exactly why he will never fly:

It's the perpetuation of the two party system
where image takes precedence over wisdom
Where sound bite politics are served to the fastfood culture
Where straight teeth in your mouth are more important than the words that come out of it

Not a criticism regarding American politics; canadian politics is twice as fucked up. Okay maybe not twice...

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Re: A Message to the Citizens of the United States of America
« Reply #28 on: January 12, 2012, 08:48:24 pm »
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I posted this on facebook earlier this morning (before I realized there was a thread on the forums about it):

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Bernie Sanders: "The American people want action. They want their government to start representing the 99 percent, not just the top 1 percent". This applies to Democrats and Republicans alike. Start voting for our collective interests and stop being distracted by all these "pet" social issues (that only allow the politicians to divide and conquer the 99%). United we stand, divided we fall.


I signed a petition by Bernie Sanders to repeal that retarded ass court ruling that made it so that corporations are treated the same as people.  I fully expect a Wal-Mart candidate within the next year or two if this doesn't change.  Bribery is illegal in America, but when it comes to elections it's the norm to LEGALLY grease the pockets of politicians.  I'm sure that people donating to your cause (directly or indirectly) has no effect on how you treat those people/companies/industries once elected.   :rolleyes:
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Re: A Message to the Citizens of the United States of America
« Reply #29 on: January 12, 2012, 09:03:31 pm »
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A lot of people eat into all the misinformation and various "attack-campaigns", already a few select people here are preaching those misinformed messages.
There are whole organizations dedicated to spreading misinformation, to steer votes in one direction in online polls, to show support for specific cases or people at social media sites. This is a fact.

Stop listening to who you think is the best candidate, who you think is aligned with your beliefs and what not, and do the actual research for the truth that you so think you speak of.

Look at what the different politicians have said, publicly, which means there's a video as documentation, then check official government websites for what they voted on the various legislation, you will see a clear pattern, even someone as Obama, who I would have as my second selection after Ron Paul - no other republican at least - have signed and voted for legislation that makes no sense what so ever for the common man and freedom, showing a pattern of saying one thing but doing another, not a relative new discovery in the political world of course. This also happens in the rest of the World, the US is no different, the only other difference is that a lot of countries are so small that it is a much harder task to corrupt them (look at Countries who have nullified EU legislation).

If you want to find the real gems within politics the people who actually speak the truth and have the actual facts, you got to dig really deep down - for example Obama takes money for his campaign from loads of major International power players, Ron Paul does not, and frankly he is the only one that is ranking in votes at the moment who isn't bought and paid for by special interest - The only other candidates who aren't bought for are those you will never hear about unless you specifically check tons of Alternative and Local media, because these candidates have not taken special interest money.



Also; Torture and the United States - Obama did not end this nor is he working towards ending it. Ron Paul WILL.

Obama encouraged Wall Street corruption by hiring the exact same corrupt people who were also behind Bush and he have done nothing to investigate why and what happened during the financial crisis because it would put a ton of high level Wall Street and Government execs in jail - even though it is publicly out there already: WATCH INSIDE JOB which won an Academy Award for Best Documentary Feature. Ron Paul WILL end this corruption.



Anyone voting for Mitt or the other Republicans need to literally wake the fuck up and watch something else than Fox News (and US MSM in general) - There IS one beacon of hope on Fox though, Judge Andrew Napolitano and his segment.

Naturally everyone always think they're some divine entity who is right at all accounts, and those who do not see it are wrong :wink:.



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