Did they change the 2h right swing?

[Christo]

Sure Xant, I am bad at logic, the game, everything.

If you say so, it must be true.

o_O

[Xant]

Yep. I have to keep telling you the most simple things. The only thing you've had to say as a rebuttal is "WELL IT WORKS IN MATHEMATICS BUT NOT IN THEORY"

[SquishMitten]

1h is meh, your shield is heavy lowering your speed and wpf, you have to sacrifice points a 2hander/pole-arm can use for athletics/powerstirke/weapon master for shield skill, so you generally move slower and do less damage than everyone else, i guess not fearing ranged makes up for it to some extent

[Kutlas]

The only thing I as a polearmer have left against that is backpedal stab spam, please dont force me to be one of those.

hmm... i find it easier to dance around the 1h then backpedal... you just need to dance...

edit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7movKfyTBII&ob=av3e

[Christo]

No.

What I said is that even if it doesn't increase weapon damage equally, a weaker weapon can benefit and get to the "2hitting with ease" field of play, just like a weapon with higher base damage.

You don't understand me either.

Yes I admit, I wanted to say in practice, instead of "in theory". My bad at that, but you've got it wrong.

Bring on the insults, y/y?

[Xant]

No.

What I said is that even if it doesn't increase weapon damage equally, a weaker weapon can benefit and get to the "2hitting with ease" field of play, just like a weapon with higher base damage.

You don't understand me either.

Bring on the insults, y/y?

.. Yes, and the point being? You said they deal almost equal damage, they don't. If you have to stack a lot more power strike to deal same damage (and 1h gets less benefit out of PS due to the percentage thing) then you're not doing equal damage, are you? The 2h can get athletics/wm/whatever with the points 1h has to spend on str and PS to deal same damage. And 1h needs agility for the shield. I understand you, but you're just wrong.

[Ujin]

Also, breaking news - 2h and polearms can land swings/thrusts on the head too.

[_GTX_]

Guys ur getting way of topic....... Just stop it here. Xant even began pulling out the insults, ujin talking down to me. Just stop it ? k ? I think it is for the best. Continue this in PM ?

[Xant]

What, when did I pull out insults?

[Ujin]

Xant, i think we just won the argument here , lol. I don't even know at what point you could assume i was " talking down to you ". =)

[Christo]

Like I said, it's leading nowhere anyway.

But btw, I mentioned speed bonus as compensation to damage as well, not just PS.
(My opinion on 1h left slash being too powerful still stands, though)

So, leave it be, stay on topic.

[cmp]

ITT:
2hers trying to explain how 1hers and polers are overpowered
polers trying to explain how 1hers and 2hers are overpowered
1hers trying to explain how 2hers and polers are overpowered

Outcome: all feedback ignored by devs.

[BlackMilk]

Polearm
Dezi i have tryed glaive on a polearm alt, and i dont find the left swing as bad as u say, i find it rather usefull. I do agree that it is short, but i do not find it slow at all. But other than that i do agree with most of ur points.

2H
It saddens me to see 2h dieing out slowly atm. If the devs find hiltslashing a problem, then im fine with it being removed. But that it had to effect polearms and 2hs like this sucks ass. It is sad to see players, which normally loved the 2hs, leaving it and goin to polearm/1h. But it is easy to understand them, the only good reason to stay 2h atm, is because u love it.

1H
It does also annoy me to see how 1h is untouched nearly, its on the edge of being too strong compared to polearm/2h, in my opinion. The animations on the left swing and the upper has got ridicolous speeds.

Soooo true

[Xant]

Like I said, it's leading nowhere anyway.

But btw, I mentioned speed bonus as compensation to damage as well, not just PS.
(My opinion on 1h left slash being too powerful still stands, though)

So, leave it be, stay on topic.

2hers and polearmers don't benefit from speed bonus?

ITT:
2hers trying to explain how 1hers and polers are overpowered
polers trying to explain how 1hers and 2hers are overpowered
1hers trying to explain how 2hers and polers are overpowered

Outcome: all feedback ignored by devs.

I don't think anyone was trying to say 2hers and polearms are overpowered cmp, l2read.

[Chagan_Arslan]

wow i think the thread with lance angle nerf didnt had so much pages as this "slowing down right swing" thread, i guess you guys must really been hurt with this nerf, probably whole 2h gameplay will change now, and those duels wont be the same ever again ;(

stay strong guys