Did they change the 2h right swing?

[SHinOCk]

Thanks for answering Devs...

I Don't wanna talk about that specific change since people already stated their concern but i must say that even tho i like changes, i don't appreciate the slowness of the melee combat in cRPG in general... I feel everything is slow beside 1hander and even that...

PLZ don't make that mod anymore casual than it already is

[Cepeshi]

I am so looking forward for my next gen, will try out 2her to see what is this rage about.

[Leshma]

Nice try, but you must play 2h for at least 2 months in a row to join the 2h lobby.

2 months??? There is less than 10 people playing this mod who were 2H for two months and still are...

[Candiru]

2 months??? There is less than 10 people playing this mod who were 2H for two months and still are...

Played 2h for a year

[cmp]

2 months??? There is less than 10 people playing this mod who were 2H for two months and still are...

Keep telling yourself that, according to stats 2h is the most played class right now.

[Leshma]

Played 2h for a year

Okay, you're the one, Phyrex can be second, after him, let's see:

3. Atze,
4. Cicero (permabanned),
5. Tyr maybe,
6. Tempest,
7. Phase,
8. Vibe,
9. Jormglorm,
10. Kastu,
11. Khorin,
12. Bjord (has no PC)

Yeah I was wrong, there is more than 10 but I'm not sure how many more. I'm pretty sure there is less than 30 member of that lobby which is pretty weak compared to ranged folks.

[Camaris]

Nice try, but you must play 2h for at least 2 months in a row to join the 2h lobby.

Im playing 2h for over 1 year that has to be enough to be in the lobby :p
And cmpx maybe the reason why most play 2h is cause it is the most fun?
Some people just dont want that autoblock all day long.

[CaptainQuantum]

cmp, you can ramify all problems of these 2h lobbyists by answering a question of why.

• Was 2h especially overpowered, and hence needed yet another nerf?
• Was it just to make hiltsalshing harder? If so why not apply the same to the polearm?
• Why are you nerfing 2h so much without even removing polestun

I think if you answer these with a reasonable answer then people will stop complaining so much. I personally don't think most of the 2h nerfs after the original stab nerf were necessary.

[Gisbert_of_Thuringia]

People here complaining that they want a reason for some kind of nerf....did archers ever get any statements about why they were nerfed 100 times?

I don't remember 


2h being the weakest or most difficult to play class and now it gets nerfed?

Oh noes you poor 2handers :O  How can anyone do this to such a weak and powerless and nonplayed class *sniff*  I'm really starting to cry here   


Now start shouting, crying, insulting, dismember me midair or whatever you wanna do. Have fun 
Maybe now you guys get a feeling for how it is when your classes important things are nerfed


But I have to agree in one thing:  Why nerf twohand when polearm still has things like polestun or can kill you, although they are so close to you, that they could actually only hit you with their fists?

[cmp]

Was 2h especially overpowered, and hence needed yet another nerf?

Yes (not just a nerf, though. The hiltslash nerf).

Was it just to make hiltsalshing harder? If so why not apply the same to the polearm?

The same was applied to polearm.

Why are you nerfing 2h so much without even removing polestun

For the same reason that I'm nerfing 2h so much without even changing the color of team chat: because they're completely unrelated.

[Camaris]

• Why are you nerfing 2h so much without even removing polestun

Cause he is the polearmdev :p
Actually i hate your attitude to only nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf.
If i would have to play against a 2her from january 2011 i would feel like i a total gimp.
If you go on that way of game balancing we will play slow motion january 2013.

[CaptainQuantum]

People here complaining that they want a reason for some kind of nerf....did archers ever get any statements about why they were nerfed 100 times?

I don't remember 


2h being the weakest or most difficult to play class and now it gets nerfed?

Oh noes you poor 2handers :O  How can anyone do this to such a weak and powerless and nonplayed class *sniff*  I'm really starting to cry here   


Now start shouting, crying, insulting, dismember me midair or whatever you wanna do. Have fun 
Maybe now you guys get a feeling for how it is when your classes important things are nerfed


But I have to agree in one thing:  Why nerf twohand when polearm still has things like polestun or can kill you, although they are so close to you, that they could actually only hit you with their fists?

You are aware I was on your side for the archery nerfs? I am just asking for justification for these ones.

Yes (not just a nerf, though. The hiltslash nerf).

One which in my opinion was in the correct direction, but you could of considered how messed up the chamber animation is first. If you are going to make combat easier my nerfing the hiltslash, you will need to consider at some point increasing the speed of melee weapons. It's seriously getting boring how long my duels are taking in comparison to native now.

The same was applied to polearm.

I did not notice this, however the flick inherent in the 2h tweak is not visible in the polearm one, probably due to how messed up those animations are. On a sidenote Phyrex noticed why they are so messed up, the right and left swings are somewhat mirrored which means that one side swing chamber looks silly.

For the same reason that I'm nerfing 2h so much without even changing the color of team chat: because they're completely unrelated.

I would not claim they are so disentangled, 2h-pole balance is very important therefore nerfing one without the other creates further unbalance.

[Phyrex]

Yes (not just a nerf, though. The hiltslash nerf).

The same was applied to polearm.

For the same reason that I'm nerfing 2h so much without even changing the color of team chat: because they're completely unrelated.

Why is hiltslashing a problem? Why does it need to be removed?

Why do you think 2h is so popular? Why does it need to be nerfed?

[cmp]

Why is hiltslashing a problem? Why does it need to be removed?

Why is polestun a problem? Why does it need to be removed?
Answer that and you have your answer. Oh and it's nerfed, not removed, because hiltslashing is still possible.

Why do you think 2h is so popular?

Just a gut feeling. And player count according to stats.

Why does it need to be nerfed?

See first question.

[BlackMilk]

Okay, you're the one, Phyrex can be second, after him, let's see:

3. Atze,
4. Cicero (permabanned),
5. Tyr maybe,
6. Tempest,
7. Phase,
8. Vibe,
9. Jormglorm,
10. Kastu,
11. Khorin,
12. Bjord (has no PC)

Yeah I was wrong, there is more than 10 but I'm not sure how many more. I'm pretty sure there is less than 30 member of that lobby which is pretty weak compared to ranged folks.

BlackMilk. Untill yesterday.
Now I'm regreting that I didn't switch to polearm way earlier, cause its just superior. Damage, reach, animations (I can hiltslash like a boss with polearms, whereas it was impossible for me with my danish gs + ultrafast lolstab), price etc etc etc.