Dueling build?

[Punisher]

18/23 (18/24 at 31).

You'll have 6 PS 6 ATH 7 WM at 30 but the extra 3 agi is worth it in my opinion and you only lose 1 ath, but the difference between 6 and 7 ath is too little to make it worth it, and you get a slight speed increase for each extra AGI point anyway. I doubt you will duel in heavy armor, so IF is useless.

[Bl0rk]

Ok, when you guys say Xant tells shit, I believe you 

18/23 (18/24 at 31).

You'll have 6 PS 6 ATH 7 WM at 30 but the extra 3 agi is worth it in my opinion and you only lose 1 ath, but the difference between 6 and 7 ath is too little to make it worth it, and you get a slight speed increase for each extra AGI point anyway. I doubt you will duel in heavy armor, so IF is useless.

Will go for this, thanks 

[Babelfish]

18/15 and your set. Anything above is a luxury. 

[Kalam]

24/15.

You really don't need more speed.

[Bl0rk]

18/15 and your set. Anything above is a luxury.

Maybe, but what should I do with alle the skill points? Ironflesh seems to be very unnecessary when I don't use a heavy armor. It's a good way to convert them and to get extra attributes, isn't it?

[Z_E_N]

Depending on the weapon, you actually don't really need much wpf.

On my iron staff build, I have 9 AGI and I can often outspam other 2h/polearm.

Just want to toss this out there for consideration..

[Ache]

Give a fuck about the build, just skill some random shit and LEARN HOW TO FIGHT.
Thats much more important than any build.

[Babelfish]

Maybe, but what should I do with alle the skill points? Ironflesh seems to be very unnecessary when I don't use a heavy armor. It's a good way to convert them and to get extra attributes, isn't it?

Ironflesh's effectiveness depends on your dueling skills, if you never get hit, its a waste of points. If you are mortal like me, Ironflesh 4-7x is better then 1 more in ath (or something else). Even at low-armor its useful.



 

[zagibu]

Ironflesh 4 is 2 more in AGI, Ironflesh 7 is 3 more in AGI/STR and 1 more in ATH, WM or PS. I don't think it's worth it, better convert to STR and up PS.

If I'm going to do a 2h build again, I'm going for 2X/18, X meaning as high as I can get (but at least 21). WM 6 and ATH 6 are enough IMO. With a good 2h sword, 6 or 7 PS might make the difference between 2 or 3 hits to kill. It's certainly close to the barrier.

[Xant]

Ironflesh's effectiveness depends on your dueling skills, if you never get hit, its a waste of points. If you are mortal like me, Ironflesh 4-7x is better then 1 more in ath (or something else). Even at low-armor its useful.

Everyone gets hit, so IF is always useful.

[Nemeth]

Well my first two generation builds had always at least 5 points in iron flesh and used mail armor. Now I have 0, still use the same armor and I don't see any difference. I die in the same amounts of hits as always. So unless you're planning on wearing some medium/heavy armor, I don't think there is any reason for putting points into IF.

EDIT: Then again, I have no idea what armor you wanna use ^^

[Bl0rk]

EDIT: Then again, I have no idea what armor you wanna use ^^

Vaegir Elite Armor, because of the look  With a weight of 17, is it a medium or a heavy armor?

[Nemeth]

17, I'd say it's heavish ^^ With that kind of protection, I guess you will benefit from IF.

[Phyrex]

18/21 at lvl 31

6 PS - Alright damage.
6 IF  - Survive another hit or a pair of arrows.

7 Ath - This is God-mode, with high enough athletics you can kite around groups of players and run from the zerg-horde when needed.
7 WM - Every point spent into 2h. Hybridization sucks, you'll only kill noobs with 100-130 wfp. My almost dead grandmother can block someone with that speed.

And if you're as mad as me...

18/24 at lvl 34

6 PS
6 IF

8 Ath
8 WM

On the topic of str vs agi and the various skills...

I prefer speed, both weapon speed and run speed above all else. What's the use of massive damage if you never hit anything?

Ps. Xant, no u 

[Xant]

18/21 at lvl 31

6 PS - Alright damage.
6 IF  - Survive another hit or a pair of arrows.

7 Ath - This is God-mode, with high enough athletics you can kite around groups of players and run from the zerg-horde when needed.
7 WM - Every point spent into 2h. Hybridization sucks, you'll only kill noobs with 100-130 wfp. My almost dead grandmother can block someone with that speed.

And if you're as mad as me...

18/24 at lvl 34

6 PS
6 IF

8 Ath
8 WM

On the topic of str vs agi and the various skills...

I prefer speed, both weapon speed and run speed above all else. What's the use of massive damage if you never hit anything?

Ps. Xant, no u 

But the difference between 6 and 7 athletics is so minimal! You can make up for it by wearing a bit lighter armor, putting on your grindface and heirlooming the light armor.

At 6 WM you'll have 155 WPF in 2H, at 7 WM it'll be 164. Unfortunately no one knows what 9 WPF points mean in practice, but since the progression is linear, I think the difference is veeeery minimal.

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