Crush-Through on Bar Mace and Long Iron Mace

[NoSBoH]

I agree with you Babelfish.  Simply put barmace is a known cheap weapon, with plans to be "fixed"  Even without 90% CT it is still a very good weapon, or at least on a similar lvl of most 2h's.  So me personally, I laugh at the cheap and very much Lame method many go with to get an easy kill.  At peak, i think CT should only be about 20 -30% of strikes....EVER

[Heroin]

Every other weapon in the game that has the "unbalanced" flag either has bonus vs shield, or crushthrough to make up for the unbalanced flag. Removing CT, but keeping the "unbalanced" flag, and not refunding heirlooms for an item who's role will change significantly is simply wrong. Anyone who thinks otherwise is obviously a hateful, vindictive person who doesn't care about anyone but themselves.

[Nemeth]

Anyone who thinks otherwise is obviously a hateful, vindictive person who doesn't care about anyone but themselves.

No you are wrong. I don't care only about those people using loomed barmace. I have no problem with anyone else.

EDIT: Also, mancleaver says hi.

[Xant]

Without CT Barmace becomes a shitty weapon that has so many better alternatives. "O but wait for trading" does nothing, why would anyone want to trade their looms for BM?

[Heroin]

No you are wrong. I don't care only about those people using loomed barmace. I have no problem with anyone else.

EDIT: Also, mancleaver says hi.

Ok, so why are you advocating punishing non-heirloomed barmace users? Your response is full of fail.

Loomed stats aside, a normal barmace will be "unbalanced" with no positive flag to counterbalance it. It will be one of only 2 weapons in the game to be unbalanced and not have a positive flag(the other being the long iron mace, which is also said to be losing CT.)

[Nemeth]

Ok, so why are you advocating punishing non-heirloomed barmace users? Your response is full of fail.

Loomed stats aside, a normal barmace will be "unbalanced" with no positive flag to counterbalance it.

What the hell are you talking about? I said I don't agree with respeccing hierlooms. How is that punishing non-hierloomed weapons?

It will be one of only 2 weapons in the game to be unbalanced and not have a positive flag(the other being the long iron mace, which is also said to be losing CT.)

Mancleaver still says hi.

[Xant]

After CT gets removed, Warcleaver will be much better than Barmace at everything.

[Nemeth]

I'm not discussing it's usefulness, just saying that there is another unbalanced weapon with no positive flag.

[Noble Crassius]

Don't refund, it's been known to be OP for a while now. Stick with your convictions.

However do remove the unbalanced tag, I would like to see the bar mace still be a viable weapon.

[Casimir]

what about people who heriloomed bar mace pre-patch and instinctively respeced it after the patch, or have been playing with it for a long time, it was never considered OP before?

[Seawied]

The Morningstar was a better choice before for crush through abuse.

Also, I believe the previous heirlooms didn't add weight

[Noble Crassius]

what about people who heriloomed bar mace pre-patch and instinctively respeced it after the patch, or have been playing with it for a long time, it was never considered OP before?

What'd you like me to say? If you can prove you've used the bar mace since x amount of months ago you should be able to respec? I mean common if everyone got to respec their looms after their weapons got balanced out shit would just get retarded. And I'm assuming most who loomed the bar mace were/are just looking for easy kills so I’ll also assume that they will respec into the next broken weapon. Let's make them work for it shall we? (Yes I know I’m an ass.)

[Suspektum]

I would just like to add that Daymun was using the barmace before retirement was even in the mod.
It adds nothing to the discussion, just wanted to point it out.

[EponiCo]

what about people who heriloomed bar mace pre-patch and instinctively respeced it after the patch, or have been playing with it for a long time, it was never considered OP before?

Well ... ?
If they didn't heirloom it for crushthrough abusability, why should they even want to respec as soon as crushthrough abusability is taken away?
Sure, maybe they have different character now without appropriate wpf, like in my case, but I am not so lucky that my weapon is OP so I get a free repick and I just deal with it. Like everyone else.

[Roh_]

I like the mauls and mallets the way they are. Well maybe a bit higher str requirement but meh. I would actually want to use the barmace and long iron onion more if they did a little more damage and didnt have crushthrough/unbalanced. The morningstar? I dont use it but shield damage/pierce through armor? Heh kick ass weapon to make all the worthless 2h axes cry. Those poor 2h axes.. already made worthless by polearm axes and now this. LoL