Teeth's maps

[Zlisch_The_Butcher]

An easy way to find the correct scene is picking a random scene, recognizing it, finding its name, and then counting the amount of maps from the map to its name.

[Viriathus]

Doesnt those Valley Rocks generate a lot of bad frame rate?

I dont get it, what makes the frame rate drop any way besides torches and smoke.

[Fips]

Doesnt those Valley Rocks generate a lot of bad frame rate?

I dont get it, what makes the frame rate drop any way besides torches and smoke.

Simply way too many useless props can cause that, too.


Anyway, i've took a look at your beta-map, teeth, noticed some things (Looks epic, though!):
- doors in the keep facing the wrong way
- gate is placed wrong in the keep (Just lower it)
- floating stairs at the bridge, also if you walk towards the marketplace from the bridge you can see through the stairs on the ground
- barracks: you can just simply walk up to flag like 10m on the right side of the gates, not sure if that's intended? (Over the rocks next to that house)
- gatehouse near the harbour: if you look from the gates to the barracks, flying stairs
- harbour: same thing as barracks: you can walk from the spawn at the docks to the left (where that round tower is) straight to the harbour-flag
- grass everywhere! I don't know if you intended that, but there is a lot of grass sticking out of stone-ish things. Just use path-texture where you want it removed (If you want to at all)
- no gates/doors at the marketplace? Kinda makes the backladders obsolete imo. At least i would just push through the front, since there is not much you gain when you walk over the backladders, other than falling down and kill yourself xD

Also, the crane you build with ladders, bathtubs and stuff is fucking great!


I'll get back to you if i notice anything else.

[Teeth]

Doesnt those Valley Rocks generate a lot of bad frame rate?

Yes, as do all objects, some more than others. I kept the amount of valley rocks to a bearable visual minimum, but I can't get around using them to cover up those horrible stretched textures which steep slopes get you. I added in some detail work and removed some rocks compared to the screens and I think the map should not be too bad performance wise.

Also, the crane you build with ladders, bathtubs and stuff is fucking great!

I have to say that Ozin or Jacko, whoever made the sandy port siege beta map, created an improvised crane. It looked so awesome I couldn't stop myself from making one, no port looks complete without it. Mine has a different design of course.

- no gates/doors at the marketplace? Kinda makes the backladders obsolete imo. At least i would just push through the front, since there is not much you gain when you walk over the backladders, other than falling down and kill yourself xD

The attacker spawns are a bit further away from that capture point than the other ones, so I think doors would be a bit too much, especially those that ranged and pokers can effectively lock down for a long time. From what I have seen from Himmelsberg Monastery, which has the same door way, such a spot can be quite hard to attack, especially with the current stake spam. I made the back route jump a lot easier and if people spawn at the Harbour they can get there pretty quick, so I doubt it is useless.

I will be watching that point closely though when it gets played and I'll balance accordingly.

Thanks for the feedback, much appreciated. Will take a look at the things you mentioned right now.


New version up with some slight fixing.

[Fips]

Usually some smoothing solves the stretched mountains quite nicely (If you don't overdo the steepness, ofc). Just go in there and use smooth with little roughness until it looks "okay"; don't expect miracles there. So yeah, the rocks are a good solution, although depending on the map, definitely not needed. Yours does, though 

Well yeah, i was just thinking about some double-doors, destroy one and you're in. Big ones, so the you can still use the place.
Anyway, you're probably right to wait until tested on the server.

[Viriathus]

Yes, as do all objects, some more than others. I kept the amount of valley rocks to a bearable visual minimum, but I can't get around using them to cover up those horrible stretched textures which steep slopes get you. I added in some detail work and removed some rocks compared to the screens and I think the map should not be too bad performance wise.

So you did that by intuition, ok.

[bagge]

YOUR NEW MAP SUCKS

[Teeth]

If you are talking about Lakeside Abbey, then yes, but only because one team spawns in the center of the map at a superior position, something for which I released a fixed version two weeks a go. Blame Jacko.

[Jarold]

I think you need to fix lakeside abbey, people can walk inside the church building.

[Teeth]

Huh that's new, played it half a dozen times but never noticed this. Is like the entire building a ghost?

[Lennu]

If you are talking about Lakeside Abbey, then yes, but only because one team spawns in the center of the map at a superior position, something for which I released a fixed version two weeks a go. Blame Jacko.

Now you can get it done yourself. So do it, or I WILL be under your bed one night.

[Nordwolf]

I'm sorry but you failed to bugtest your own siege map ^^
Some wooden stairs and a cart are destructable and after first round most of the ways to walls are bloken. Lol

Or maybe in this troll map that's intended xD

[Fips]

Testing destructive stuff is not really possible in the host game mode, because you only get fists ._.
Probably used a mp or crpg-prop, they can be bugged in some modes.

[Elindor]

Testing destructive stuff is not really possible in the host game mode, because you only get fists ._.
Probably used a mp or crpg-prop, they can be bugged in some modes.

I generally use like Castle_F_Door A or B or something like that.

I think in the HOST mode even though you have fists so you can't hurt the door, it will have a healthbar when you look at it if it is destructable. 

[Nordwolf]

BTW Teeth you said you couldn't do normal screens with edit mode, you can, just press H
(removes all GUI and visual glitches, just don't hover over object at that time)