Anything going to be done about free wpp?

[Gisbert_of_Thuringia]

I think it has been discussed several times, but I don't know the outcome.

I think something should be done about this.

It's not really balanced when people with 6 wm can get 160 points in for example archery, whereas people with 8 wm only get 172 (lvl 30 or 31, no sure). With 160 wpf you can shoot with a longbow almost as fast and accurate as with 172, which really annoys me as I have 172 and I think it annoys many other people as well :/
I think this would also balance the theme of "strength and agi builds", because they would swing much slower with less wpf.

Just remove these free wpp completely or reduce them by 50% or whatever, but reduce them please.

[Tears of Destiny]

Or...

Slightly buff Weapon Master.

[Dan lol]

WEAPON MASTER BUFF

I WANT TO HYBRID MORE

[Overdriven]

I thought the devs could weight wpf? So say 1-100 wpf doesn't do an awful lot, then the next 50 can make a big difference and the final 22 to 172 makes an even bigger difference.

Not sure if they can do that or not, but it's a way of making the extra WM count for a lot.

[Cup1d]

I think it has been discussed several times, but I don't know the outcome.

I think something should be done about this.

It's not really balanced when people with 6 wm can get 160 points in for example archery, whereas people with 8 wm only get 172 (lvl 30 or 31, no sure). With 160 wpf you can shoot with a longbow almost as fast and accurate as with 172, which really annoys me as I have 172 and I think it annoys many other people as well :/
I think this would also balance the theme of "strength and agi builds", because they would swing much slower with less wpf.

Just remove these free wpp completely or reduce them by 50% or whatever, but reduce them please.

You can shoot even better with just 150 wpf and 6PD. Do not tell this nobody, this is main archery secret.

[Gisbert_of_Thuringia]

Or...

Slightly buff Weapon Master.

Where is the sense in buffing weaponmaster, when people can still shoot decently with little weaponmaster? Those with high weaponmaster would maybe get a buff in speed or accuracy, but those with for example strength-build-archery would still be able to hit almost perfectly :/

You can shoot even better with just 150 wpf and 6PD. Do not tell this nobody, this is main archery secret.

I wanted to keep that secret Cup1d  :O

[Ujin]

I think it has been discussed several times, but I don't know the outcome.

I think something should be done about this.

It's not really balanced when people with 6 wm can get 160 points in for example archery, whereas people with 8 wm only get 172 (lvl 30 or 31, no sure). With 160 wpf you can shoot with a longbow almost as fast and accurate as with 172, which really annoys me as I have 172 and I think it annoys many other people as well :/
I think this would also balance the theme of "strength and agi builds", because they would swing much slower with less wpf.

Just remove these free wpp completely or reduce them by 50% or whatever, but reduce them please.

That's right , just remove the free wpf, cause it's all about what's better for pure archers, who gives a crap about hybrid builds that don't rely solely on spamming agility.
21/18 build here, trust me i won't be able to get 2 proficiencies to a level where i'm as fast a a class that specializes in one . Say what you want , but in my opinion hybrid builds are close to being perfectly balanced right now, your suggestion will ruin this balance and for what ?

[Gisbert_of_Thuringia]

That's right , just remove the free wpf, cause it's all about what's better for pure archers, who gives a crap about hybrid builds that don't rely solely on spamming agility.
21/18 build here, trust me i won't be able to get 2 proficiencies to a level where i'm as fast a a class that specializes in one . Say what you want , but in my opinion hybrid builds are close to being perfectly balanced right now, your suggestion will ruin this balance and for what ?

I'm not talking about hybrid builds or something. I'm talking about strength melee builds and strength archery builds, because those are way too strong.
Maybe it would be a good idea to buff weaponmaster AND reduce free wpf.
That way hybrids could keep their builds and strengthbuilds wouldn't be so spamming fast or accurate.

[Ujin]

Agi builds are better right now anyway (unless we're talking about 10 if 10 ps triple loomed plate armor + gauntlets great maul circling spammer who relies on people being afraid and glancing off him/teamattacking each other). Can't say anything about archery builds though.

[Zisa]

Agi builds are better right now anyway (unless we're talking about 10 if 10 ps triple loomed plate armor + gauntlets great maul circling spammer who relies on people being afraid and glancing off him/teamattacking each other). Can't say anything about archery builds though.

Nonsense.
But since you need that free 120 or so wpf to make yer hybrid work keep spouting it - there was a big whine ages ago about throwing hybrids.
The ONLY benefit to agi builds is athletics, which is often mostly useless thanks to terrain modifiers.
Devs are DEATHLY afraid of anything remotely approaching 200 wpf.
lvl 30 9/30
3PS 10Ath 10 Wm (189 wpf)
It's very underwhelming, optionally go 3 str and use a scythe and rely on broken polestun and baiting.
Don't try and feed me that shit about agi builds being better.

[Ujin]

Nonsense.
But since you need that free 120 or so wpf to make yer hybrid work keep spouting it - there was a big whine ages ago about throwing hybrids.
The ONLY benefit to agi builds is athletics, which is often mostly useless thanks to terrain modifiers.
Devs are DEATHLY afraid of anything remotely approaching 200 wpf.
lvl 30 9/30
3PS 10Ath 10 Wm (189 wpf)
It's very underwhelming, optionally go 3 str and use a scythe and rely on broken polestun and baiting.
Don't try and feed me that shit about agi builds being better.

Here, let me get the spoon. Agi builds are better.

Go ahead and ask a guy like Phase what his build is , just as an example.

And i wasn't talking about some clown build with 3 ps , let's talk ps 4-5 at least intstead. High ath let's you backpedal faster than some of your opponents move forward (ideal for killing shielders by staying out of range), high wm let's you either make a decent hybrid or put everything into one proficiency and thus compensate the lack of PS with the speed bonus (i've been 2slashed by agi builds just like i've been 2shot by str builds); str builds have better survivability, but then again, you're more of a 1trick pony -punching bag if you get surrounded by enemies, whereas an agi build can just get out of harms way.

Loomed weapons +speed bonuses really help AGI builds stay on par with STR builds in terms of damage.

Now i suggest you change your tone and go test it for yourself but with a decent build instead of that idiocy you've posted in your previous message.

[Tears of Destiny]

I admit that I did not care much for AGI base builds either, but after fighting with Phase I have to say his 15/27 is absolute hell on wheels. I think it just takes certain kinds of mentalities to make it work (not just making proper use of reach and footwork, but also not being a total lunatic and knowing how to avoid range spam).

I have to say I'm a fan of both. Even in siege I have noticed some AGI builds shine, it just takes certain weapons to make them worthwhile, like any build.

[Ujin]

I admit that I did not care much for AGI base builds either, but after fighting with Phase I have to say his 15/27 is absolute hell on wheels. I think it just takes certain kinds of mentalities to make it work (not just making proper use of reach and footwork, but also not being a total lunatic and knowing how to avoid range spam).

I have to say I'm a fan of both. Even in siege I have noticed some AGI builds shine, it just takes certain weapons to make them worthwhile, like any build.

Overall a balanced build is a win-win of course, i switched from 24/15 to 21/18 and not regretting it so far, i felt too slow with 15 agi as  a shielder.

[Zaren]

Here, let me get the spoon. Agi builds are better.

Go ahead and ask a guy like Phase what his build is , just as an example.

And i wasn't talking about some clown build with 3 ps , let's talk ps 4-5 at least intstead. High ath let's you backpedal faster than some of your opponents move forward (ideal for killing shielders by staying out of range), high wm let's you either make a decent hybrid or put everything into one proficiency and thus compensate the lack of PS with the speed bonus (i've been 2slashed by agi builds just like i've been 2shot by str builds); str builds have better survivability, but then again, you're more of a 1trick pony -punching bag if you get surrounded by enemies, whereas an agi build can just get out of harms way.

Loomed weapons +speed bonuses really help AGI builds stay on par with STR builds in terms of damage.

Now i suggest you change your tone and go test it for yourself but with a decent build instead of that idiocy you've posted in your previous message.

couple things
 I fail to see how agility builds are always superior
 I see that all builds are good in their own way. A super agility build can run circles around full strength builds but at the same time, a good strength build can take out a agility build if he is a good player. On the other hand, a strength build of 39/3 or something crazy like that can be taken out by a agility build who can find openings and fight that way. However i believe that each player has a build that is best for them.
 Also to your comment of strength punching bag, Balboroth uses a build that leans towards strength(not fully strength but on the stronger side) and ive seen him slice through 6 enemies(and they were not noob players all had decent gear and positive kds)....
 To your point of looms bringing an agility build up to a strength build damage wise, looms can help but at the same time they are not the same. Still looms do have a significant effect although i doubt an agility build with 5 powerstrike and I dont care what weapon your using will be able to 2 hit someone like Passion who has 13(i think) iron flesh.
 I used to use an Agility build (15/24) and I see what your saying about being able to run from situations, and I did usually take less damage when going into a fight because I was able to evade(until I got 2 hit by some guy). However I did make a 36/3 strength alt and I was able to kill people while I was being mobbed. Ultimately I think im repeating myself again and again to the point that there is no best build. Builds are better for certain people based on their play style and preference. Ive slashed up my fair share of agility whores who try to skirt out of range and backpeddal me and ive killed a ton of strength builds who tank 3-4 shots from an MW longsword/MW 2h sword. However at the end of the day no matter the build if I go up against a player like Sittingbull, SaulCanner, Balbaroth, Racecar, Hisagi, Rhaleys, or many others(im a decent player who can manage a good 3.0 but im not gona flatter myself...there are many better players) im going to get owned.

[Tears of Destiny]

And then I shoot people and kill them regardless of AGI or STR builds...

Feels good.