inf, do you want cav support in a clusterfuck situation?

[Torben]

Torben, i think you might consider creating more understandable poll.

Well,  i think the outcome of this poll is the most favorable for our cause,  even if it does not reflect every voters opinion. 
Reading the posts,  the community wants the cav man to assess the situation and base his actions upon sound judgement,  still being somewhat forgiving concerning the learning curve of this class.
 I am pleased with the amount of constructive replies and the over all reflection of respectful relations  between the members of this community.

...but, god, nothing makes me feel better than when... he steps back, i go bump, he kills, i go bump again, he kills again  ...and we work out so nice together and both survive! Lovely!
This cooperation is partly based on luck and awareness of both, but god....cav is so much fun 

yes,  Cepeshi.  The amount of teamwork cav is capable of surpasses the perception of the every day grunt,  it is amazingly fun and finishing complete teams together with a capable archer or inf is one of the highest sensations.


Take home message for cav enthusiasts:   be thoughtful around team members,  act within your capabilities unless the situation asks for desperate measures and give the inf a chance to work with you.







a good place to close this thread.

[KaMiKaZe_JoE]

It won't die that easily, Torben...

ON THE SUBJECT OF CAVALRY/RANGED INFANTRY COOPERATION

In addition to cooperating nicely with melee infantry, I think it important to note that cavalry should put equal effort into working with their ranged infantry, in particular archers, in order to facilitate victory and killz for errybody.

One situation that I've noticed occurring frequently in the battle server involves cavalry riding through friendly archers' fields of fire. This often results in friendly fire, with the horse getting shot. At the very least, such behavior disrupts friendly archer's activity, either distracting them or forcing them to re-nock their arrow.

Suggested solution: cavalry should always be aware of where their team's archers and xbowmen are located, particularly in relation to where the cavalryman/women plans on attacking. Archers, too, should make sure to be aware of where friendly cavalry--and all friendly players, for that matter--are located whenever possible; the nature of cavalry, of course, makes it understandably hard to do this, what with their operating on the fringes of the fight and/or zooming in and out of the melee without warning.

[Kafein]

It won't die that easily, Torben...

ON THE SUBJECT OF CAVALRY/RANGED INFANTRY COOPERATION

In addition to cooperating nicely with melee infantry, I think it important to note that cavalry should put equal effort into working with their ranged infantry, in particular archers, in order to facilitate victory and killz for errybody.

One situation that I've noticed occurring frequently in the battle server involves cavalry riding through friendly archers' fields of fire. This often results in friendly fire, with the horse getting shot. At the very least, such behavior disrupts friendly archer's activity, either distracting them or forcing them to re-nock their arrow.

Suggested solution: cavalry should always be aware of where their team's archers and xbowmen are located, particularly in relation to where the cavalryman/women plans on attacking. Archers, too, should make sure to be aware of where friendly cavalry--and all friendly players, for that matter--are located whenever possible; the nature of cavalry, of course, makes it understandably hard to do this, what with their operating on the fringes of the fight and/or zooming in and out of the melee without warning.

This is really harmful to me at times. I just see a blob of allies and feel safe when I do a flyby in front of them. When I'm unlucky I literally get an arrow in the knee because I don't differentiate that much between classes of allied infantry. I think most of this burden is on the cav's shoulders, as he can avoid the friendly ranged easier than the friendly ranged can spot him.

[Cepeshi]

In addition to cooperating nicely with melee infantry, I think it important to note that cavalry should put equal effort into working with their ranged infantry, in particular archers, in order to facilitate victory and killz for errybody.

Sorry, my horse is afraid of heights, hence i cannot spend much time on roofs assisting our brave ranged 

[Nehvar]

In theory I would like cav to help me out of those three-on-one situations; but in reality they always manage to lance and/or trample me rather than the three jerks trying to murder me.

So my answer is "No. Fuck off with your shitty horse".

[Leesin]

I enjoy playing 1h + shield Cav because I personally find it more useful for supporting my teams Infantry, I very rarely TK or get a friendly killed by bump ( shit happens sometimes, every single player no matter the build has wounded or killed team mates on accident ).

When I approach a small cluster of enemies and teamates fighting, I line myself up to pass just past the enemy, not actually through them, this way I have more time to react to my team mates movements and the enemies, if at the last moment I can see I have a clear path to bump through and slash, I will, if not I will just try to slash the enemies at the edge of the cluster where I am passing by.

I have a similiar approach to when I see a 1v1, I aim to pass by the team mate and enemy fighting, watching their movements closely, if my team mate ends up turning his back into me and/or with the enemy on the opposite side I simply break off and either find a new target or turn around to come in for another ride by. If the enemy turns around my team mate and is on my side, I will usually attempt to slash rather than bump, because bumping him would put me closer to my team mate and raise the risk of a team bump occuring, unless I can see that I have a decent amount of space to bump the enemy.

The smaller the fight, the more surgical your approach has to be to help your team mates over hurting them.

[Thomek]

Cav is the ultimate kiting class. Feel free to kite enemy cav close to our archers and especially throwers.

When I run my flanking missions, mostly enemy cav turns far away from me.. If you could stop them or just make them ride past me I'll be sure to plant a jarid in their face.

[Rumblood]

90% of cavalry either lack the skill for precision in-fighting amongst teammates, or like Huey, running over teammates is part of the overall strategy to kill the enemy and a few trampled teammates are just collateral damage.

The worst are the well meaning types. "Well I go for the enemy bump first".

Umm yeah, so you bump the enemy first, then you bump me. Guess who gets up off the ground to kill the other guy first? If you are going to go charging through and bumping, BUMP YOUR TEAMMATES FIRST. That way we get back UP first.

Jerks. 

[Reinhardt]

I've been making it a point to bump more than lance when around allies. I'm trying to be a better help to my team than just killing everyone. :3

[Lizard_man]

so i had a few rounds in which i was handling multiple foes on the ground quite well after being dehorsed,  just to be stabbed lanced slashed bumped and killed by friendly cav trying to help me.

They're not trying to help you, they're being greedy and trying to get the kill, which in most cases, goes wrong and somehow they fuck you up...

[SirProto]

I spend 50% of my time on the floor when ANY cav are around. The other 50% is spent being spiked by stray lances.

[CrazyCracka420]

oh poor you, sounds like you got it rough.  Want a tissue?

[Mosquito]

I think Phazey has right attitude to this question. I try to tell myself that the friendly inf owns the kill i'm just there to help him/her get it sooner, but as alot of others have said i'm clumsy and it goes wrong sometimes. I'm sure most cav chars here will think this thread quite heartening in that it at leaast shows that not everyonehates cav!

I think only one person has mentioned this so far but i think its important, a half-tonne horse riding around close by (and the horse noise more importantly) distracts the enemy alot i think giving great opportunity for friendlies to get hits in even without any slashes, bumping etc but clearly the cav then has zero % chance to steal the kill like a frag-hungry animal!

Goes back to who does the cav think 'owns the kill'?

[CrazyCracka420]

Some people are kill/frag whores.  They want to look good on the score board.  I discount what these people's opinions are (whether it's the cav guy rushing through 8 teammates to kill an enemy, or the lone infantry guy running off by himself instead of working with teammates). 

I don't care what they think, or whether they want my help or not.  It's a team based game (in the battle and siege servers) and you're going to get my help whether you want it or not.  I generally horse bump or lance enemies whenever I can help a teammate. 

But like the guy above me said, just hovering around an enemy is enough to keep them distracted or at least partially distracted.  I basically circle around behind them looking for a chance to stab them in the back (if I can do it safely) and basically every time you come close to making a pass that enemy is going to have to turn and face you, or take a lance in the back. 

Everything aside however, even the best cav will sometimes bump or kill a friendly player.  When I'm approaching a 1v1 lots of times I have a nice angle on a lance and it's half way thrusted and then your teammate circles in front of the enemy.  At this point I try to move my lance away (if blocking to pull back doesn't work), but sometimes it's too late. 

[Christo]

Thats exactly how to handle such a situation.

Horseman announcing presence, footman going out of his way, horseman ride the enemy down, footmen slash the enemy while hes trying to get up again. Move on to the next enemy.

Unfortunately, 85 % of crpg players dont know how to behave on the battlefield. Usually its like this: Footman-Noob dancing in front of the enemy, and cav-noob killing the wrong guy.

What the..

Michael talking sense? What kinda sorcery is this?