strat 3.0

[Oberyn]

^This. Also, as Gristle already mentioned, attacking at off hours is a legitimate tactic but it certainly doesn't foster fun gameplay.

What a bunch of bullshit. You only realized it was not fun when YOU started getting attacked at impossible hours. You were calling Mercs a bunch of whiny noobs previous to that for daring to suggest that it was a dick move.
One of the reasons you signed the peace treaty was because you felt bad about attacking Mercs at off hours? Do you even listen to yourselves anymore? Does having Kesh in a clan make ridiculous face-saving propaganda 100% more effective or something?

[Gristle]

But I like how taking a village with capturing the flags suddendly is a "glitched cheating win", isn't that how you took most of your villages?

Actually, no. We were the first NA faction to take a village this strategus, and our villages had large opposition as people were still bothering to sign up for village defense back then. Hell, Kwynn and Vayejeg were taken back when village battles were 30 attackers against 60 defenders, and we got them on the first try.

As for night time, it is possible to to interrupt sleep for a battle, but skipping work for a battle would be ridiculous, so we set our time to cover the afternoon.

We have had 8 battles over Fenada so far. Only 3 of those battles have been legitimate fights, and they've felt more like work than fun. You're having all the fun because you didn't spend months saving up and gathering the gear you are using. That was us. Our plan was to have one last hurrah taking a castle, which we would have done already if Fenada had not been taken*. Too much of our gear has been wasted on both sides now, so that plan is no longer possible. That's fine, shit happens. We were thrown a curve ball. Still, we are not having fun, even in victory, as we watch everything we have get wasted.

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Again, this is why you have had so much success in the first few battles. Most of our faction were playing other games at the time, and were just waiting for the castle fight to be initiated.

What a bunch of bullshit. You only realized it was not fun when YOU started getting attacked at impossible hours. You were calling Mercs a bunch of whiny noobs previous to that for daring to suggest that it was a dick move.
One of the reasons you signed the peace treaty was because you felt bad about attacking Mercs at off hours? Do you even listen to yourselves anymore? Does having Kesh in a clan make ridiculous face-saving propaganda 100% more effective or something?

They attacked us at off hours, and we attacked them at off hours. It was a dirty war that left everyone tired. There was plenty of vile shit slinging from both sides on the forums.

[Keshian]

As for night time, it is possible to to interrupt sleep for a battle, but skipping work for a battle would be ridiculous
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Again, this is why you have had so much success in the first few battles. Most of our faction were playing other games at the time, and were just waiting for the castle fight to be initiated.

They attacked us at off hours, and we attacked them at off hours. It was a dirty war that left everyone tired.

Both of those!

Also, Oberyn, back then we had just as many 3-5 am fights as the Mercs had.  It was brutal on both sides.  We were the quintessential example of why NA and EU needed to be divided, because either you got bad ping and good timeslot or good ping and a horrible timeslot and neither were fun (though it was still more fun than this strategus).  We haven't done that at all in Strat 3.0 and neither have the Mercs.  With people actually very active in Strategus 2.0 as it was fun and interesting, yeah people would show up for thse fights.  But 5 am in this INCREDIBLY SLOW-MOVING strategus is like saying insta-win with no real battle taking place, just flag capture, people simply dont stay verya ctive when events take days and weeks to happen.

[Gristle]

In fact that war was a major contributing factor to why the Night Time feature was added.

[rubicon_crossed]

What a bunch of bullshit. You only realized it was not fun when YOU started getting attacked at impossible hours. You were calling Mercs a bunch of whiny noobs previous to that for daring to suggest that it was a dick move.
One of the reasons you signed the peace treaty was because you felt bad about attacking Mercs at off hours? Do you even listen to yourselves anymore? Does having Kesh in a clan make ridiculous face-saving propaganda 100% more effective or something?

It wasn't fun back then for the Mercs or us when we also were attacked at bad time slots.. hence peace treaty. Why don't you take a step back and see who's playing the part of the fool here. I'm pretty sure everyone has a lot more fun when both sides can actually show up and fight, yet all of sudden it's not true because we're the ones saying it?

edit: Here are some quotes from the truce and the actual peace treaty thread:

Great news, less lag and less 5 AM fights. Good job all for coming to an agreement. Thanks!

Im sorry I saw this and I just couldnt resist...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_hGvKmbLec
The fellas at the friggin FCC!!!!!!!

Thanks for the end to 5am battles.

@gotetooth dont worry we stil luv ya enough to let ya fight for us anytime 

"FINALLY I CAN GET SOME ****ING SLEEP" pact =).

Frankly, I love this pact.
But it should be called "weekend pact" or "I-need-to-work pact", or just "real life pact" %)

confirmed, toilet pact renewed,  thank god for sleep

Sleep > Strat

I'm sorry I don't have audio recordings from our Vent or steam/irc logs as well to sate your quest for truth but is it really that hard to believe that fighting at terrible times was not very fun for everyone involved?

[Tydeus]

Then we attack you with our 1k army made up of peasant equipment that probably costs way less and you lose.

Too bad your 1K army would never catch up to his.

Most of the complaining I've seen over strat 3.0 is about people not being able to craft the gear that they want. You guys sound like selfish four year olds. I fail to see how simply have a lower armor value and a lower damage value on your weapons, has ruined strategus. Horse complaints are legitimate, archery effectiveness is a legitimate complaint, but crying because you can't have 5K armies and half of them in plate is fucking retarded. No one can, it's an even playing field across the board.

If it's that big of an issue, just change your models and pretend you're playing with everyone having higher end gear, the game plays the same way regardless of what the average gear level is.

[BADPLAYERold]

Too bad your 1K army would never catch up to his.

Most of the complaining I've seen over strat 3.0 is about people not being able to craft the gear that they want. You guys sound like selfish four year olds. I fail to see how simply have a lower armor value and a lower damage value on your weapons, has ruined strategus. Horse complaints are legitimate, archery effectiveness is a legitimate complaint, but crying because you can't have 5K armies and half of them in plate is fucking retarded. No one can, it's an even playing field across the board.

If it's that big of an issue, just change your models and pretend you're playing with everyone having higher end gear, the game plays the same way regardless of what the average gear level is.

Yeah cause running away is a valid tactic in wars? At some point armies have to engage.

The gear thing is just how cost effective peasant weapons are, it's not the fact that noone can afford the good armour and weapons it is the fact that it is better to buy 10 scythes than 1 hafted blade ect. Last strategus it was the same but people had a better ratio of gold:troops so they could afford to equip all their troops in decent gear, right now that ratio is much lower so most factions will always have a surplus of troops and it is better to equip as many as your troops as possible in poor gear than it is to equip just a small portion in good gear and leave the ones left unarmed.

[Gristle]

but crying because you can't have 5K armies and half of them in plate is fucking retarded.

No, what's fucking retarded is reading "I want to wear something better than Light Leather" as "I think everyone should be wearing Transitional Armor at the very least." No one is saying that. Shut up.

[SHinOCk]

The real problem i see with this strat beside some game breaking bugs is how it turn usually normal peoples into a bunch of raging/whining assholes and i probably don't need to point a finger at anyone there, those people are well known.

The community would certainly benefit from having less bullshit/rage/whining threads on the forums. I find it sad that i have come to hate some people with a passion on this game because of their shitty attitude when i used to respect them before strat came out

[rubicon_crossed]

Yeah cause running away is a valid tactic in wars? At some point armies have to engage.

Actually...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fabian_strategy
:p

[Visconti]

Too bad your 1K army would never catch up to his.

Most of the complaining I've seen over strat 3.0 is about people not being able to craft the gear that they want. You guys sound like selfish four year olds. I fail to see how simply have a lower armor value and a lower damage value on your weapons, has ruined strategus. Horse complaints are legitimate, archery effectiveness is a legitimate complaint, but crying because you can't have 5K armies and half of them in plate is fucking retarded. No one can, it's an even playing field across the board.

If it's that big of an issue, just change your models and pretend you're playing with everyone having higher end gear, the game plays the same way regardless of what the average gear level is.

The reason i thought that strategus was so fun was because you could fight as an actual soldier in a proffesional army, with large scale battles, not as a peasant with a pitchfork. Last strategus was fine, majority of battles were in light mail armor/kuyaks, with mid tier weapons like arming swords, longswords, crossbows etc. Not sure where you got the idea that armies in plate were the norm, or that this is what people want this strat.

[KaMiKaZe_JoE]

I think Kesh makes a really good point: we need to nerf cavalry NOW, before strat gets even more broken.

[Casimir]

Strat is what you make of it.

Unlike most people I don't think its really worth commenting in depth about the post made by keshian in relation to strat, so i'll move on to the player base at large.

Acting like a little whinny bitch on the forums about all the problems wont make you enjoy the game any more. It might take your mind off the fact you've just lost all your important e-territory, and now when you join a server no-one knows!

Strat is way better now than it was in the first one by a long shot, suggesting otherwise is just fucking retarded - rose tinted glasses.

All in all some people need to man the fuck up when they loose and decide either to carry on and try again or fuck off and shut up.  Not this bullshit half way whinny bollocks.

If something bad happens, make a thread, but please don't keep infecting every single fucking topic with the same bullshit complaints. NO-ONE CARES!

Some of you should try and be more like HRE (except don't keep on allying to the 'evil' faction). Great enemy, nice enjoyable fights, civil guys and once they know its over they don't give up, they just move on and try somewhere else.  Would be an honour to fight them again.

[Gristle]

Was that post meant for another thread? People in this thread are mostly complaining about boredom and an inability to sustain a well geared army, not about losing battles.

[Keshian]

Strat is what you make of it.

Unlike most people I don't think its really worth commenting in depth about the post made by keshian in relation to strat, so i'll move on to the player base at large.

Acting like a little whinny bitch on the forums about all the problems wont make you enjoy the game any more. It might take your mind off the fact you've just lost all your important e-territory, and now when you join a server no-one knows!

Strat is way better now than it was in the first one by a long shot, suggesting otherwise is just fucking retarded - rose tinted glasses.

All in all some people need to man the fuck up when they loose and decide either to carry on and try again or fuck off and shut up.  Not this bullshit half way whinny bollocks.

If something bad happens, make a thread, but please don't keep infecting every single fucking topic with the same bullshit complaints. NO-ONE CARES!

Some of you should try and be more like HRE (except don't keep on allying to the 'evil' faction). Great enemy, nice enjoyable fights, civil guys and once they know its over they don't give up, they just move on and try somewhere else.  Would be an honour to fight them again.

Yeah, the game is boring.  We have been "winning" with 4-5 fiefs the whole time, but its fucking boring with all its endless micromanagment with 1 battle as a a reward for 3  weeks grinding on strategus, to the point most of my clan has given up on Strategus 3.0, including me.  This thread was supposed to give a kick in the ass to developers that the changes have mostly not been for the better if they add to tedium and take away fun.  Now maybe we are more of an action-oriented, battle-hungry clan rather than kumbaiya-singing carebears, so maybe this is what chadz and company want - endlessly monotonous trading and crafting with only an occasional battle.  If that is the case, then no point in coming back for 4.0.

Oh, yeah.  Its probably about time I posted this:

Are all of your neighbors your allies, yet you do not have enough land? Are you a landless knave wandering looking for a home? Do you fancy owning a vilage just to turn it into a gay bar?

Well come one, come all to the land of the NORTH, we have an auction for property, troops, gear and strategus gold going on. Everything must go. We have 4 villages for sale and are willing to accept heirloomed items, cRPG gold, strategus gold, and even a bit of rub and tug . Please pm Gristle, Snoop, BaleOhay, Matey, or Keshian on the forums or post in this thread your offers. EVERYTHING MUST GO!!! Clearance sales event.

P.S. APATHY HAS WON!! THE MOST ACTIVE STRATEGUS CLAN HAS NOW OFFICIALLY QUIT OUT OF BOREDOM!!!