Idea to lower the problems of roofcamping

[Grumpy_Nic]

No.
You cannot remove a players primary weapon. This would mean that dedicated Archers/Xbowers would have no chance to win a game if they survive until the end.

Edit: Add a 0 slot rope ladder  on the other hand this gives every archer the possibility to climb everything...

[bredeus]

Nice idea. I would like to see some more radical methods (like old firebom effect in the last minute on combt on every roof) but this one sounds nice too.

[Gisbert_of_Thuringia]

Bad idea, wouldn't change anything.

Better would be what has been suggested again and again and again and again (and again for 100times), EITHER that ladders can't be destroyed on battleservers OR that a "short" fix on every map places a fixed ladder to every rooftop (or only a couple of rooftops) OR remove ladders from battle completely :/

[Joker86]

Bad idea, wouldn't change anything.

I think it would change a lot, because currently most archers are coming down when they are the last survivors or the admin tells them. So I suppose most archers would also come down as soon as only 20% of the team are left and the message appears, especially as they know the admins will kick them immediately. And in those rare occasions where no admin is on I would even trust the community to have enough combined hatred against roofcampers that kickvotes would be successfull.

At least it can only improve things, there is no way it can make them worse. And many people seem to agree on that.

[Taser]

How about...

Once 1 team is down to 5 players or 20% of their team (whichever is higher), all ranged weapons are disabled.

So if its 50 vs 50 then ranged weapons will be disabled for both teams as soon as 1 team hits 10 players.

This means there is no point camping a roof after that point, you won't be able to do anything and if you all camp a roof playing for a draw then you are scum and deserved a ban.

Horrible idea. For the same reason Nic said, you cannot remove someone's primary weapon. And it shows obvious bias towards melee weapons. I understand where you're coming from here though as roofcamping is annoying sometimes.

Bad idea, wouldn't change anything.

Better would be what has been suggested again and again and again and again (and again for 100times), EITHER that ladders can't be destroyed on battleservers OR that a "short" fix on every map places a fixed ladder to every rooftop (or only a couple of rooftops) OR remove ladders from battle completely :/

This is a better idea than what was suggested. It allows roofcamping but doesn't make them unreachable in the case of making ladders for every roof anyway. It would be better to just remove ladders from battle completely. As an archer I would miss the ability to be safe from cav and flanking infantry on certain maps but I can live without it.

[Joker86]

As far as I have understood the rumors around here, chadz explicitly insists on keeping ladders as they are. I don't know if he would agree to make them undestructible for the own team or something like that, but I do know...

... ladders never will be removed from battle

and

... for sure the developers won't change every map with a roof on it to have fixed ladders or something even more complicated like spawning or moving/"growing" ladders.

[Zerran]

I would at least like to see custom maps required to make roofcamping impossible. This can be done very easily by either putting a ladder to the roof already, or by using invisible walls on the roof to stop anyone from being able to get up to them. (Though I think there has been some work towards this already)

I've played around with map editing a bit, and honestly it's really easy to do this. If even just 1 or 2 mapmakers could be convinced to run through the maps and update them all with this, it could solve the problem without any direct dev intervention.

[Joker86]

I think the only way to achieve this would be that someone who knows how this works volunteers, changes all maps, and then contacts the developers. There is no other way, as they surely won't change their to-do-list for this suggestion... or any input from the community at all...

[Lichen]

I don't think a server message is going to do much. Try going after archer roof camps at the beginning of the round instead of waiting till the end after they have wounded and killed many of your teamates.

[Zisa]

I hope and pray for the removal of ladders.

Also there are far too many village in a bowl maps where archers can perch, which of course is the smart thing to do as infantry crawl up to your position.

Inacessible positions (breaking a ladder to seal off any pursuit) means you are avoiding any danger to self, and should go play single player. chicken.

[Gisbert_of_Thuringia]

I've played around with map editing a bit, and honestly it's really easy to do this. If even just 1 or 2 mapmakers could be convinced to run through the maps and update them all with this, it could solve the problem without any direct dev intervention.

Go send a message to devs and offer that you will put some fixed ladders to the roofs on all the maps, so it will be useless to bring siegeladders to reach them and roofcamping would stop

[Vexus]

If chadz doesn't want to remove ladders why not just make the flags (Forgot actual name) appear when 2 min - 1 min 30 seconds are left so roof campers are forced to go down if they want to win the round?

[Zerran]

Go send a message to devs and offer that you will put some fixed ladders to the roofs on all the maps, so it will be useless to bring siegeladders to reach them and roofcamping would stop

See, I would do this... but I'm lazy. >_>

[AreTreble]

Why not just bring your own ladder to get up to the roofs? If your ladder is long enough you can usually be at the top of the ladder before anyone has a chance to attack it, as long as you start walking up it as it is deploying.

It would be cool if there was a new item like reinforced metal ladders implemented that can only be destroyed from the ground. I imagine you could just reskin the ladder and make it only destructible at the bottom.


Another, idea more consistent with history and immersion is having stand-alone ladders (german origins, I think) that dont have to be propped on the side of buildings.
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If properly placed, archers won't be able to destroy these as they would be out of reach.

[Rumblood]

Remove ladders.