Ever used real armor?

[Xant]

But I can call a ridiculous troll and stop replying to you at all. 

Shiiiiiiiiiiit dawg, anything but that.

[Paul]

The truth is that real life plate armor is a lot more powerful than in cRPG. Even maille armor is, in combination with undergarment it would probably make mostly immune to drawn cut weapons like scimi and katana as well as most ranged. Plate would protect from anything but dagger to the armpit or bec to the head.

But if would would make it that powerful we'd also have to increase the upkeep to like 100k per repair. There are thoughts to buff plate to almost that level of protection in Strat though.

[Christo]

Paul, so true.

Even those hardened leather armors, I dunno do they call it studded, or brigandine, whatever,

Have good protection from cuts, you have to stab into that as well.
Mail is so overlooked/underestimated even to this day.

[Xant]

The truth is that real life plate armor is a lot more powerful than in cRPG. Even maille armor is, in combination with undergarment it would probably make mostly immune to drawn cut weapons like scimi and katana as well as most ranged. Plate would protect from anything but dagger to the armpit or bec to the head.

But if would would make it that powerful we'd also have to increase the upkeep to like 100k per repair. There are thoughts to buff plate to almost that level of protection in Strat though.

Yes, you don't need that much armor to be mostly immune to cuts. Blunt weapons will always be a problem when used properly, though, especially with proper hits to the helmet. You wouldn't want to be hit by a 2handed axe either (axe being a wide term here, halberds, dane axe, poleaxes etc)

[Skurwiwij]

 I have been K.O. with a sword (1h) hit to the helmet.

[B3RS3RK]

I have been K.O. with a sword (1h) hit to the helmet.

this.

Plate armor protects you well from cuts, but even getting hit by a sword in the head will make your brain ring.The sheer force will make it a devastating blow.

[Thomek]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDkoj932YFo&feature=related


well.. Katana beats the longsword in the thrust because it is stiffer (thicker).

The katana beats the longsword in cutting because of curved blade.

etc.

[Christo]

Thomek.. not that guy please.

Should get a "totally not biased award". 

'Ooh swords can cut through vegetables in slo-mo.'

The block of ice is pre-cut for the Katana, to make it cut through.

Should I go on? We analyzed this whole vid once in IRC with a few guys.

[Elric_de_Melnibone]

this.

Plate armor protects you well from cuts, but even getting hit by a sword in the head will make your brain ring.The sheer force will make it a devastating blow.

Unless your helmet sucks and you lack the mandatory padding underneath, no it won't.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oubmAeMuoPk&context=C3813d86ADOEgsToPDskKYPxbeZTagvUaRLWIAZFTJ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNDkDOfbbR8&feature=related

[Xant]

We analized this whole vid once in IRC with a few guys.

You.. analized.. it?

[Thomek]

yeah yeah..

Just seems to me some people totally disregard some of katanas inherent design qualities. Curved blades made a huge impact when they got introduced by the turks. (right?)

It is also a fact that they are stiffer than many european swords. Perhaps because of less structural strength of the steel so they had to be thicker, perhaps because of the curved shape, perhaps because they were meant to be short and practical for duels and personal weaponry. Not for warfare..

ok im not hijacking thread here.. move on

(I'm sure you analized the whole vid with a few guys. Curved blade. Curved blade. The point of impact becomes MUCH smaller, and you add a cutting motion to a hit in many circumstances. Curved blade man!)

[Christo]

You.. analized.. it?

Typo.

I was busy while writing it, shit happens.

[Xant]

shit happens.

Especially when analizing.

[Christo]

 

[Paul]

What I would like to have for a better plate armor feeling would be a dualistic damage system like in XCOM with lasting mortal damage and recoverable stun damage, which has its max at the normal health left. With that plate users would mostly receive stun damage, which they could recover over time or with a special time consuming, exposing action. If a player takes as much stun damage as he has health left, he falls unconscious and is out of the round as with a normal death.

Plate users can't really outrun their opponents and people in lighter armor would mostly receive mortal damage. With that kiting away to recover wouldn't be that much of a problem. It might be a problem with tin cans on horses though.